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Comentado por 13501

This seal is really just for tanking as of right now. Or for paladins that want to quest with a shield and one hander. It relies on a fast weapon speed whereas seal of command (the other pally DPS seal) relies on slow weapon speed. If you are a Retribution paladin, do not use this unless you are tanking. SoC is better.

Comentado por rayven

I'm not an expert on paladins but I find it curious as to why everyone is trying to point Seal of Vengeance to be a tanking ability.

To further the point, it is a) retribution skill, and b) has a very high value for sustained dps.

Of course it generates a huge amount of aggro with Righteous Fury, but I would still classify it primarily as a dps skill instead. Like someone pointed out, weapons of speed 3.0 or slower have a 100% proc on SoV, that means an average retribution paladin can keep it up indefinitely and judge every now and then for extra damage.

Comentado por 9857

Yes, it's a nice dps skill, but there is better - namely Seal of Command. However if you are talking about PvE dps (ie. whacking a boss in the back for 5 minutes in a row) it's possible you are correct, but I still believe having the proc that is able to crit far outweighs this ability.

Comentado por 45837

They should make this a holy spell, or at least allow it to be affected by Righteous Fury. THEN this seal would be better for tanking

Comentado por 299

As of Patch 2.1, this Seal garners greater benefits from spell damage. Before, your spell damage was applied at a coefficient of 17% to the FIRST application of the spell only, now the spell damage appears to be split up evenly between stacks. So in other words, each stack gets around a 20% coefficient, for a total of 100% at 5 applications through the duration of the dot. This has been seen on the PTR ticking for 1600+ with Avenging Wrath, Vengeance and trinkets (however Vengeance was bugged previously, stacking to 30%. This has been fixed, unfortunately. But this seal still can tick for massive amounts of damage):
http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot042107015945cz8.jpg

Comentado por 37463

Here's a thought:
SoV with a slow 2H 3.6 or 3.7
Stack up to 5
Without judging put up SoC Rank1 (65 mana, same procs, smaller judgement)
Let 2 swings of SoC hit
SoV back up before the 3rd swing to refresh the stack (since the 4th swing would go past the 12 second timer)
Back to SoC
rinse and repeat.

I'm no mathetician but you should have nice steady dps for very little mana since you don't have to judge and you're still only recasting SoV every 10-11 seconds.

I'm thinking this would be useful for boss fights for someone with a minor ret build... just enough to grab SoC and some crit%... ok very situational, but SoV is itself rather situational anyway. /shrug... just a thought.

Comentado por 59484

Seal of Vengeance now does instant holy damage when 5 stacks are applied AND Seal of Vengeance applications last for 15 seconds now, as opposed to 12 seconds! MEANING Alliance paladins can now compete with horde pallies in dps in which seal of blood used to be far superior in DPS then seal of vengeance was. Congratulations all you alliance pallies!

Comentado por 53990

I'll make this easy.

For DPS:

Seal of Blood > Seal of Command > Seal of Righteousness > Seal of Vengeance > Seal of the Crusader

Comentado por 134454

Is it just me, or does a BE's trade in for this skill seem kinda...Well; crappy.
I mean...I play a horde pally, and when I saw that I coulden't get seal of vengence, but I could only get seal of blood...I felt a bit shafted.

Comentado por 110654

SERIOUSLY! CTFO blizzard. seal of blood is inneffective compared to this...SoB is crap damage compared to seal of command..and SoV would be super effective aginst rogues. as someone who pvps alot i need to keep rogues from vanishing and running off to heal.

Comentado por 159295

I have a real big problem.I have a lvl 70 paladin belf (hord). I do nt know where to go learn seal of vengeance. i have tried at the trainers in ogrimar and silvermoon but no luck. I read on wow head that this can be learned buy human,drenai and dorf paladins, if this i true pls mailme or reply me.if u could also tell me where to go learn it at horde it will be greate . My mai is black_bird1992@yahoo.com

Comentado por 159295

its me again. i found out that aliance paladins lear SoV(seal of vengeance) and hord ones lear SoB(sel of blood) .this suck . Sov is much better that SoB. As a pala tank or any other paladin i don't undersatnd why the fuk somewone would use a seal that takes hp = to 10% of dmg dealt WTF i whana stay allive not die faster omg.

Comentado por Syphid

In the latest Wrath Beta build, this and every other seal's duration was increased to two minutes, and none of the seals are consumed by the new Judgment spells.

Comentado por 129503

So, is there any horde version of it, now the allys got their seal of blood version?

Comentado por 275366

This spell is the equivalent to a Blood Elf's Seal of Corruption

Comentado por 175315

https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/spell=53736 for the horde ;-)

Comentado por 18814

Am I the only person who's immediately reminded of a baby seal wearing the batman outfit and an angry scowl?

"In Soviet Russia, seal clubs you!"

Comentado por 9667

3.2 PTR Notes:

"Seal of Vengeance and Seal of Corruption: These seals have been redesigned to deal substantially more damage. Now, once a paladin has 5 copies of the debuff from these seals on his or her target, on each swing the paladin will deal 33% weapon damage as Holy, with critical strikes dealing double damage"

Comentado por matoh

another reason to use SoV/SoC is this wicked Libram, which with its Proc is arguably better than best PVP libram

Comentado por 208448

Error note: the seal's tooltip says the proc damage is now 37 to 38%, not 33%.

I also tested the damage. The proc hits don't seem to be affected by armour, as they're dealing my weapon's actual damage (which comes out to be 60% of my white hits on the regular 80 dummy). When compared to my damage on my character sheet, my rough math totaled the proc to 40% dead even of my attack. This comes close to what the tooltip says in game. Given experimental and rounding error, it should be 37-38%, as 33% is much too low.

Also, for anyone not aware, it actually does do weapon damage after you have at least one dot on it, but the amount of damage scales up to ~37.5% at the maximum 5 dots. The tooltip is slightly misleading in how its worded. The official patchnotes of 3.2 on the how the mechanics currently work:

Seal of Vengeance and Seal of Corruption: These seals have been redesigned. Only auto-attacks and Hammer of the Righteous can place the debuff on the paladin's current target(s). However, while the seal is active, each melee swing or ability (excluding judgements) that lands on the target will deal a percentage of weapon damage as Holy damage to the target. This damage maxes out at 33% weapon damage with 5 applications of the debuff and scales upward evenly based on how many applications of the debuff are active. This Holy damage deals double-damage critical strikes. In addition, the damage-over-time debuff is now considered a melee attack for the purposes of determining its chance to hit, miss, be dodged or parried.

From the 3.3 patch notes, under Paladin Bug fixes: "Seal of Corruption: Tooltip corrected to list the actual amount of damage done instead of a higher number". Admittedly, this doesn't exactly sound accurate, as the seal is now dealing ~4.5% more. However, they did tweak the tooltip, and this could be referring to the judgement/dot damage.

Comentado por 454233

Alliance Paladins get this at level 64, while Blood Elf Paladins get their Seal of Corruption at 66.
Yet they both do exactly the same thing...

Comentado por Thottbot

I just got this seal over the weekend and have been playing with it ever since and find it my seal of choice when tanking even up to three mobs.

With a few new pieces of +Defense gear and now only 5 pieces of Judgement (so long 8-piece bonus) I have a little under +300 added to spell damage. With the full 5 applications of this seal, it ticks for 199-200 Holy damage every few seconds and judges for around 750 and critting for almost 1200 Holy damage.

On single mobs, such as bosses in instances, you can have 5 applications up in about 15 seconds (less if Reckoning procs) and can be ready to constantly judge it very quickly. The BEST part about this debuff, is that it stacks with ANY other Judgement you place on the mob. This means that you can place a Judgement of the Crusader on the mob and STILL be able to have 5 debuffs ticking away and Judging with increased fervor. Or judge Wisdom or Light if needed. Extremely versatile indeed...

If I have 3 elite mobs beating on me in Slave Pens or Underbog, I open up with an Avenger's Shield and Judge Righteousness on whichever mob will be brought down first. A Consecration, a Holy Shield, and a Seal of Vengence and I am ready to tank. With multiple mobs beating on me, I almost ALWAYS have both Redoubt AND Reckoning up and functioning.

Seal of Vengence synergizes with Reckoning exceptionally well and I see two applications proc with a double swing ALL the time. It's exceedingly easy to place a few procs of Seal of Vengence on one mob and then turn your attention onto another to place a few procs on that one. With a 12 second window, it's not too difficult to keep the debuff refreshed on ALL of them and I've even had 5 procs on a couple of mobs at once. This mixed with a constant Holy Shield and I don't even need to Consecrate repeatedly.

Still, if you are tanking groups of 5 elites or more, I would reccomend sticking with Seal of Righteousness. The added Holy damage is guaranteed and easy to apply with Reckoning constantly up to every mob you're tanking. Consecration and Holy Shield and you're all but guaranteed that every mob is on you and you only.

-Krynn of Agamaggan

Comentado por Thottbot

This seal is currently bugged.
Your +Damage&Healing; only applies to the first stack and not the other 4.

So if you have +200 D&H;, only the first SoV stack will get the bonus. The other 4 will ignore your D&H.;

Comentado por Thottbot

I've heard a lot of people say that SoR is better, but heres the thing. If your raiding with a lot of pallies, this seal can be one of the greatest attacks you can have in your arsenal. Obviously it only stacks 5 times, but there are two things that make this spell unbelievable. The first thing is that Any pally can work off of it. So if you have a pally thats your MT, or just one thats DPSing, if they get their 5 Seal of Vengence on a boss, ANY pally in the party/raid can then use seal of vengence and judge the boss instantly causing a good deal of damage. And heres the kicker. The DOT won't fade! If you wait a while it eventually goes away, but If someone imedately recasts the seal and gets another hit off, the DOT stays on, so technically you have the stacks from the seal ticking, plus your judgements of Vengence. This means RIDICULOUS damage

And I've tested this before, I don't have the numbers but This strategy has worked very well for me.

Malzinka - 70 Paladin - Arthas

Comentado por Thottbot

i can only make 1 little comment on this spell: Reckoning...

Comentado por Thottbot

ok this is how it works:

you use the seal and when it procs (every 3 hits or so) you give the enemy a 120 DoT over 12 sec. If you prot again during the next 12s you refresh the duration and stack another 120 on there. You can stack up to 5 times. When you have 5 on, and proc, you dont stack another, but refresh the duration. When you use judgment you do 120 damage per aplication, but you do not use up the DoT on the target, so you can judge multiple times as long as you use the seal again to refresh the DoT. Both the seal and the judgement are affected by judgement of the crusader.
I do about 220 per 3 seconds (880 over 12 sec)(with 5 applications) and a further 700 or so per 8 sec (the judgement) you can keep this going as long as the mana hold out. All in all not bad dagame when you get it, but i dont think there's a rank two, so the next rank of seal of righteosness MAY be better. I dont know, i dont have it yet.

Hope that answers some questions

Comentado por Thottbot

Anyone know/confirmed that Crusader Strike refreshes the DoT of this seal? Some mention that CS would refresh it but the DoT isn't even a judgement, so I wanted to make sure.

Comentado por Thottbot

Being a level 65 human paladin at the moment and tryin' this seal out in both PvP and PvE, I can say that it rocks! I can kill ANYTHING with this seal and I don't even have "Great" +spell gear. It ticks for about 260 - 300 and judges for about 780 - 860. That's like a crit SoR for me lol. Though, I know it can go WAY higher. This seal does not go off too often with a fast weapon though, so make sure it's something like 2.50 or 2.70. Proced almost every time with that speed. In PvP, I can kill a warrior in seconds with this, can make a rogue's life worse and I can out tank anything in PvE as well. Not imagining, just tellin' yah what I have seen, lol.

Also, CS should not refresh the effect. It's not a judgement....though that would rock :P. This Holy/Ret...the new super build LOL!

Comentado por Thottbot

SoC is for burst dmg still in pvP I would use this over SoV.Also IT IS CONFIRMED CS REFRESHES SoV.using this is good against rogues and an at least egt som dmg even u hav no mana left

Comentado por Thottbot

I find when I'm using SoV with JoC that my crusader judgement disappears after a while, even though I'm attacking. Anyone know why?

Comentado por Thottbot

I heard it got buffed alot in the next patch (spell power now ads to all dots instead of one) can someone
confirm this?

Comentado por Thottbot

is so nice when you attack 1 with a lot of armor and you only hit under 100 so use you kill some hig lvls whit a lot of armors:D

Comentado por Thottbot

This spell is Alliance Paladin ONLY

(Horde get Seal of Blood)

Comentado por Thottbot

I looked forward for a long time to getting this move on my paladin. However, when I finally bought it from my trainer and tried it out, I was disappointed to find that it was not much stronger, if at all, than using Seal of Righteousness...

At my level (prot pally), each swing with SoR does 150 holy damage, and about 550 when I judge it. The five stacks of SoV do 225 damage every 3 seconds, which almost exactly matches the dps of SoR (150 dmg every 2 sec vs 225 dmg every 3 sec), and the judgement hits about 700-800.

However, this is when the seal is stacked up 5 times. In the process of stacking them (which is subject to take a while due to failure to proc, miss/parry, etc), while righteousness is constantly outputting solid dps and vengeance is ticking for small amounts of dps in the process of building up.

And what about reckoning? For a protection paladin, reckoning allows righteousness to do double its damage. For SoV, reckoning basically does nothing, unless it procs at the start of battle, in which you'll simply get the 5 charges faster. And if it procs when you already have the charges down? You'll simply wish you had used righteousness.

All in all, I think this spell is pretty much equal to seal of righteousness. SoV is weak at the beginning, and strong at the end, while righteousness provides solid dps throughout the entire fight. I'm going to stick with righteousness, though, and save this spell for use when things get a bit bland, or against rogues.

Comentado por Thottbot

Another great advantage for sov over sor is that it continues to proc after mobs run away. I used to have to chase them down or try to use one of my two ranged spells to kill them off. Now I just ignore the running mob and move on to the next mob in a group. Sov will usually kill off the running mob for me.

Comentado por Thottbot

This thing isn't that good, and I don't really know why everyone thinks it's great. For me it hits for about 230 spell damage every three seconds after I get it fully applied.

That's the kicker here, getting this fully applied takes forever. I have a 1.8 second sword, and it takes a good 10-15 seconds to get this to a 5 stack which still only does 230 damage. SoR does 180-200 damage every swing. (That’s a 1.8 second tic instead of a 3 second tic of 230) It also doesn't take me 10-15 seconds to stack 5 charges before I do the damage. More yellow damage up front from SoR. More yellow damage even after a full 5 charges from SoR. More yellow = More Agro.

The main problem with this DoT is it takes advantage of your spell damage once, and its split between all the stacks. Imho, if you want to 'hold agro on multiple targets' consecrate and tab with SoR. It's more stable, and more consistent, and your spell damage is factored in every time you swing.

Comentado por Thottbot

You need 575+ spellpower for SoR to surpass the sustained DPS of SoV 1H (942+ if you judge every 10 sec). With Improved SoR, you need 363+ spellpower 1H (597+ if you judge every 10 sec). It takes less raw spellpower from gear in practice, of course, because it takes ~15 seconds for SoV to get to 5-stack and judging SotC adds 190 Holy spell vulnerability to the mob.

SoC has the highest DPS because SoR and SoV both get their damage boost primarily from spellpower. Not only does spellpower not boost the Paladin's physical attack, it is also only one stat, while multiple stats boost physical damage. Due to Blizzard's item design system, items of the same tier with more types of stat will get more "raw" points (Example: +100 str chest is the same tier as +63 str/+63 crit rating chest and +48str/+48 crit rating/+48 hit rating chest).

Comentado por Thottbot

When you judge this spell with the 5 stackups (you know what I mean), it does more damage than doing Judgement of Command. My highest crit as a level 64 Ret pally was arouund 1400 damage

Comentado por Thottbot

From what I can tell, this is a Protection-Spec paladin's dream.

The main problem I had with playing my pally was that, while I did have the defense to survive just about anything while soloing, the battles took a long time. And all the while constantly judging Seal of Righteousness would eventually take its toll on my mana. Seal of Vengeance solves both problems for me because it takes the enemies down quicker, and I can usually have Blessing of Wisdom on instead of Blessing of Might, since the physical damage change wasn't too much.

But at the time: (This how much damage I do atm, and is including JotC beginning the fight)

Seal of Righteousness: +145 damage over 2.6 seconds = 55 DPS
Judgement: Around 450 damage every 10 seconds = 45 DPS

SoR additional DPS total: 100 DPS

Seal of Vengeance: (assuming every hit procs)
44 after 3 secs = 14.5 DPS
88 after next 3 secs = 29.3 DPS
132 after next 3 secs = 44 DPS
176 after next 3 secs = 58.5 DPS
220 after next 3 secs = 73.3 DPS

AVERAGE: 44 DPS

Judgement: 800 damage every 10 seconds = 80 DPS

SoV additional DPS total: 124 DPS

And the DPS bonus for SoV when all the dots are constantly on is huge. 220 every 3 seconds is 73.3 DPS PLUS the 80 DPS from the judgement for 153.3 DPS.

DEFINITELY makes the battles quicker for protect pallys. Sure, sometimes it doesn't proc, but the next hit will usually fix the problem. Very rarely does the DoT ever disappear on me.

And in the next patch the duration's going up to 15 seconds, giving us more chances to keep the DoT refreshed.

Comentado por Thottbot

oi! sorry i felt like doing that.. XD
anyway... one time a paladin tanked Sethekk halls using Judgment of Crusader, Seal of Vengeance + righteous fury, basically its like a warriors sunders but in holy dmg form (just like Lacerate from a feral drood) all he did to tank was, Avengers Shield, Seal of Crusader, Judgement of Crusader, Seal of Vengeance, Concecration (every time it was ready) THEN when Ikiss blinked, to get extra aggro, he avengers shielded him, ran behind a pillar, and waited... HE NEVER LOST AGGGRO! (except for the sheep part XD) so this seal has a great tanking effect! (plus if u have another paladin tell him to put seal of light... it really helps :P)
GG PALLY TANKS!

Comentado por Thottbot

Patch was rumored to include some extra damage so that when Vengeance hit max stacking of 5 on a target, there would be "bonus" automatic damage as long as it stayed at the max.

Was testing out the stacking effect. Got Vengeance to 5, and even with Seal of Crusader, it was only hitting for 7-8 extra damage automatically before judgment.

Now I know I shouldn't complain. It's extra damage that wasn't there before, it's automatic, and can even crit, but cmon, 5 base, Crit with SOC for 12?

Looks to me like someone at Blizz did their math wrong, forgot to carry the 2 or something.

Comentado por Thottbot

When you've got 5 of these ticking, retribution aura, shield spike, holy shield, consecration, and now the instant holy damage after 5 stacks, the 4-7 damage from 5 stacks adds to this all.

Comentado por Thottbot

I just tested the instant damage under version 2.3 and it was increased, it appears to use a coefficient that scales with weapon speed, similar to righteousness, doing 3.6% of your spell damage per weapon speed second, about a third of the scaling of righteousness. I'm not sure how this will change the balance but it is an improvement.

Comentado por Thottbot

The best tanking seal for a long fight imo

Comentado por Thottbot

Since ret pallies don't focus on Spell Dmg, this seems like it must scale badly for them...?

Comentado por Thottbot

For those you didnt understand, this is my point of view about ret. SoR is better for tanking than Sobl ofc.

Comentado por Thottbot

who*

Comentado por Thottbot

wow...he would rather have SoV than SoB...

should see all the qqing on the pally forums about ally wanting SoB, considering its better than SoCom for dps and SoR is better than SoV for tanking...SoV is just awful, especially once you get your libram!

Comentado por Thottbot

The spell is jus like the new druid lancerate. Also 5 stackable, a nice dot for tanking. THe druid's one is increased by ap and this by spell dmg. Its about the same. Hello dmg-Sunder 4 the other tank-classes.

Comentado por Thottbot

I ran scholo today with 4 pallies for the epic mount quest. I dont know if it was my vision, but I could have sworn that I saw two seperate holy vengeance stacks (one per pally that was using the seal). Our seals didn't refresh the dot on all of them, only our own stack.

It actually did quite a bit of damage too, especially when we let it run for a while on the bosses. My SoV was doing about 220, and JoV was reaching 1100 crits. Not bad for only 190 spelldamage. My tactic when wielding the two-hander was to stack it to 5 (procs a lot off of slower weapons), judge vengeance, seal of righteousness, swing till theres about 4 seconds left on holy vengeance, switch seals to refresh the stack, judge vengeance, and so on.

Comentado por redaxe

Trainable at level 64

Comentado por wgrinolds

The Horde version is Seal of Corruption.

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Selo da Vingança

Selo da Vingança
14% de base mana
Instantâneo
Facção: Aliança

Preenche o Paladino com poder sagrado, fazendo com que os ataques apliquem Vingança Sagrada, que causa [(0.013 * Spell power + 0.025 * Attack power) * 5] de dano Sagrado adicional ao longo de 15 sec. Vingança Sagrada pode acumular até 5 vezes. Cada ataque do Paladino também causa dano Sagrado equivalente a 33% do dano da arma, com base no número de aplicações. Apenas um Selo pode estar ativo no Paladino por vez. Dura 30 min.

Liberar a energia deste Selo causará (1 + 0.22 * Spell power + 0.14 * Attack power) de dano Sagrado a um inimigo. Esse dano é aumentado em 10% para cada aplicação de Vingança Sagrada no alvo.

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Selo da Vingança

Ataques corpo a corpo causam dano Sagrado ao longo de 15 sec.
30 minutos restantes

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Duração

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n/d

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14% de base mana

Alcance

0 metros (Self)

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Valor:31805
Multiplicador de JvJ: 1
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