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Comentado por Polkarama

Ultimate farming skill?

Comentado por 171323

This is great for reducing down time when leveling, and can be used very well in PvP:
When fighting 2 enemies, killing 1 with Death Strike not only get you rid of a scource of dammage done to you but also reduces the disadvantage you have HP-wise to that second player. Or it just gets you back in the fight quicker with more HP, which could mean you have some extra Runic Power when the fight starts.

Comentado por 5845

This spell seems extremely weak unless it kills a target, as it does a flat 60% weapon damage, and if you're using it for damage you would be better of with using obliterate or plague strike, but this is very situational.

Comentado por 175557

a bit like a warlock's https://www.wowhead.com/cata/spell=47827, does damage regardless, however if they die it returns the shard, or health in this case

Comentado por echowa

also with blood talents this has a chance to summon little cute worms which also heal you so its been made nicely into a affective move with other features if speced in bloodworm for it
edit: they removed the blood worms from this ability shame but it did seam to nice o well still nice since 100% heal for each diseases gona be nice

Comentado por 182237

Just like echowa said, judging by the current official talent preview, Death Strike has been made so much more worthwhile thanks to them remworking Infested Corpse (and renaming to just Blood Worms), so that Death Strike has an (up to) 60% chance to summon 3-5 of the Blood Worms. That means means alot; just think about the possibilities of it during long boss fights + the improved Blood Aura that also heals everyone else for the same amount they heal you.

Comentado por d3nyd

If you're playing a DK, this will quickly become one of your favorite attacks. With 3 diseases up and this critting, you're just about back to full health.

Comentado por 240134

This ability will be awesome in a blood build with

Viscious Strikes (unholy, tier 1)
Might of Mograine (blood)
Vampiric Blood (blood)

with crits being at x2.75

with Vampiric Blood and 100 runic power with Glyph of Death Strike and with 2 diceases on the target that healing would be:

*140%]*140%]*150%]*200%
on NON criticals

lets say wep dmg 1000 for a round number =

600+178.2= 778.2 - Death Strike base damage
140% of 778.2 = 1089.48 - Glyph of Death Strike dmg bonus
140% of 1089.48 = 1525.272 - Glyph of Death Strike healing bonus
150% of 1525.272 = 2287.908 - Vampiric Blood bonus
200% of 2287.908 = 4575.816 - 2 diceases on target

4576 healing with a 778 hit...

now criticals it wold be a 4576*2,75 = 12 583
12583 heal for a 2140(778.2*2,75) death strike critical strike

After looking at these numbers my mouth said :O

Note: This will only work with 100 runic power, Glyph of Death Strike, 2 diceases on target, Vampiric Blood popped, the talents: Might of Mograine, Viscious Strikes and1000 wep dmg,
if u have more than 1000 wep dmg this number will increase
There has not been taken armor into account
The more armor your target has the less dmg and healing this ability will do

In case that I have miscalculated, please correct me
And please, call me a geek if you want

Comentado por 240134

Hysteria doesnt increase healing by 30%, but it takes 30% of your total health, but increasing physichal dmg by 20% as well
Its an increase to dmg still, so you will get 20% more dmg and healing

Death Strike heals for 100% of dmg done per dicease, https://www.wowhead.com/cata/forums&topic=43944 - just scroll down a bit and you will all see

And I think I did my math wrong in my first comment here, cause I used the 40% for glyph of death strike twice, 1 for healing and 1 damage, but with a such high number, it will only heal for a couple of thousands less and im too lazy to correct it

Comentado por 232341

Would just like to add if you want to add to disease factoring skills like Blood/Death/Heart/Plague/Scourge Strike, Blood-Caked Blade, and Obliterate you can use "Gift of Arthas".

Even though the effect is weak: Shadow Resistance 10 and 30% chance that if a mob hits you it contracts a disease that increases dmg taken by 8. Lasts 3min.

It shines in that it adds to a DKs dmg just by it being a disease :) So thats Disease x4 for us Unholy 8D

Comentado por 164904

guys read wat it says "heals the Death Knight for a percent of damage done for each of <his/her> diseases on the target." so this isnt just put diseases, damage them and get healed for such a great amount, it only heals you for the % of damage your diseases, so u gatta have to let your diseases last abit so u can get da full effect of this ability. i dont know if da disease finished before casting this that'll heal u afterwards. so my guess is dat unholy knights would have better heals before thier diseases end and blood would have better constant heals. all dat math gone to waste

Comentado por brawndo4u

ok this is simple.
0 diseases = 0 healing
1 disease = 50% death strike dmg in healing
2 diseases = 100% death strike dmg in healing
3 diseases = 150% death strike dmg in healing
and so on...
cake n piie

Comentado por 253920

Okay, this one confuses me. Sometimes it heals me for 350-450 hp, other times it goes upwards of 1100 hp. Does it heal more the longer the diseases are on the target, or what? o.O

Comentado por 262978

i agree..u cant use death strike to heal if u choose to dmg the target or the opposite...(at least not until the refreshment of runes(1 frost 1 unholy))so its not overpowered as i hear. Simply u choose to heal or dmg...not both

Comentado por scarroll9

It seems that Death strike is obviously still healing for like 2x the damage done regardless of diseases if it lands the killing blow. i just killed a yeti while levelling up skinning with nod iseases, it was the only strike i used, it hit for like 2700 and healed me for mid 4ks

Comentado por nisx

Today this spell healed me for 10341 with 2 deseases + the glyph at 100RP.Unholy specc.

Comentado por noggin

Copied from my Blood Boil comment and relevant to this spell as well...

I freakin love this spell...

When soloing with deep unholy (51+ unholy, sub-80)... (With ghoul summoned) Bone Shield, mount, round up about 10 melee mobs (grip a caster if there is one; stop by one and grip the other if there are two), Death and Decay, Icy Touch, Blood Plague, Pestilence, Blood Tap, Blood Boil, Death Strike, Scourge Strike, Blood Boil, Blood Boil. Ice-bound Fortitude as soon as I can see things are hitting harder than expected. Then Death Strike and Icy Touch til everything's dead to heal and build RP for the next round. Keep in mind it's absolutely critical to keep melee mobs in front of you since you can't doge or parry hits from behind. A single melee mob behind you can be the difference between decimating a pack of mobs and dying. Luckily, with Shadow of Death, if things do get out of control, I can almost always finish everything off while ghouled and loot the corpses with time to spare.

With the rare exception that I agro one too many casters that are outside my AoE range or one too many mobs with a knockback, I can pretty easily do this rotation and end up with full health and some RP to start the next pack without stopping... with the occasional bandage for me and my ghoul. When I saw occasional, I mean I maxed my First Aid before 60 and have yet to use my second full stack of heavy netherweave, and have not yet used one whole stack of food without throwing some away for the next bracket of food. Very occasional.

Below 80, I use glyphs of Death Strike (up to 40% increase in DS healing - on a crit I can go from almost dead to almost full health), Death and Decay, Pestilence, and Horn of Winter (for lack of second useful minor glyph). With Glyph of Death Strike, doing packs of mobs like this, I minimize my use of RP to maximize my healing, so I'll hold off on the Unholy Blight unless I know I won't need to heal myself or I have a healer with me (then i hit UB on almost every pull).

In instances with a healer (sub-80, with ghoul summoned)... Bone Shield, Unholy Blight if RP is maxed, grip a caster or range DPS, Death and Decay (with myself at the far back of it to maximize how long mobs are inside it), Icy Touch, Plague Strike (the rest of the pack is in melee range now), Pestilence, Blood Tap, Blood Boil, Scourge Strike, Blood Boil, Blood Boil. Then Icy Touch and Plood Plague to finish things off and build RP for an Unholy Blight on the next round or to pop the gargoyle on a boss if that's the next pull.

I consistently do 40%+ of a group's total damage while tanking in Frost Presence, rarely losing the top spot on a per-fight basis to a very well geared and experienced mage or lock (but still out-damaging for the overall length of the instance). That's 50%+ if I'm not tanking and get to use Blood Presence.

Comentado por 104695

Seeing as it hasn't really been mentioned: Death Strike's healing part is based on the damage, therefore should you hit a target that is either Immune or Asorbs that damage, it wont give you any healing.

It will only heal for the set percentage the guys have listed above, of the actual damage you do.

For maximum healing effect on critical hit it's wise to get Vicious Strikes and, if you're Blood, also Might of Mograine that you would have taken anyway. I have no idea how these stack, guessing additively though, making it a 75% increased critical damage, a total of 275% on critical.

That aside I think Unholy is the one that can get the highest heals from Death Strike on nonecriticals as Blood would have to increase the healing from Death Strike by 50% to be on par with the extra disease that Unholy recieves.

Vampiric Blood increases the healing of Death Strike by 50%, if it then becomes 250% for two diseases or 300% (50% of 200% = 100%) I don't know.

Comentado por 332014

Best case I can see (comparing Blood/Frost Obliterate build to Blood/Unholy Death Strike build) is the following (based on build 9637, includes Obliterate going from +damage to +% per disease).

B/F on Obliterate;

Gives 116% weapon damage + 677.44 (Assumes; 2 diseases up and glyph)
+17% crit (Subv, DC and Anni) with 230% (MoM) on crit

B/U on Death Strike;

Gives 109% of weapon damage + 324 (Assumes; 130RP, iDS and glyph)
+11% crit (VS and DC) with 260% (VS and MoM) on crit

I'm against having such a single ability comparison done in isolation without considering whole build effects from the secondary Unholy having things like more sudden death/+deathcoil damage (Morbidity), Necrosis and BCB on auto attacks and secondary Frost having Annihilation (+3% melee specials crit), +20% frost damage and +20% haste (if you go far enough for Icy Talons) as well as the downstream effects on the necessary ability rotations though, I feel it makes drawing any conclusions from this one facet dubious at best.

Comentado por 305640

Conclusion: Use Death Strike?

Comentado por NightmareMJ

hotfixed today, only healing at most 800 health(on crit, but not crit heal).......just yesterday it was healing me for 1300-6K health, i have no way of regaining health now in lowbie instances. sigh.

Comentado por Bareno

This being my main... this only heals now for... As unholy...

Hits for 950~ non crit, heals for ~410, than it hits for around ~2k crit, ~950 heal...

Seriously blizzard, SERIOUSLY?

EDIT: Must be an bug, according to This forum post...

After doing some tests, the results on Death Strike are as follows:

0 Diseases on the target = 0% Damage to Health
1 Disease on the target = 40% Damage to Health
2 Diseases on the target = 40% Damage to Health
3 Diseases on the target = 40% Damage to Health

Death Strike Rank 5 at Level 80 tool tip (no talents):
A deadly attack that deals 75% weapon damage plus 538 and heals the Death Knight for an amount based on the damage done and the number of diseases on the target.

Currently Death Strike only heals you if you have 1 disease on the target and does not take into account any additional disease you may have on the target.

WTB HOTFIX!

Comentado por sindragosa

615 hit, 135 heal, with one disease up, used to be like 1000+, thats kinda sad
plz blizzard learn to balance, without overbuffing, or overnerfing

Comentado por 82881

Funny how you mention "soloing old school raids"

I don't think that's exactly intended by Blizzard for only one class (well maybe two I guess if Pallies can too) can solo Onyxia and Hakkar, etc.

You can't be surprised this was nerfed.

Bury meh comment to oblivion now

Comentado por 321955

Wild Deathknight appears lvl 69!

Go Mage lvl 69!

Mage uses Polymorph...

Wild Deathknight uses Anti Magic shell!

Wild Deathknight is immune to your Polymorph!

Wild Deathknight Uses Deathstrike!

Deathstrike Is super Effective 4000! dmg!

Deathknight uses Meele swing!

Meele swing criticaly hits Mage for 2000!

Mage Faints!

Comentado por ZanathKariashi

I'm mixed about the new Death strike. The increased damage is nice, but the healing is waaay too low. In it's base form it works pretty good. But I think they need to increase the healing bonus from the imp DS talent. It's almost at the bottom, and the extra 50% healing makes it the same as an unholy DK with 3 diseases would gain. Blood DK's should be able to get up to at least 20% hp maybe even 25. Blood is ALL about healing and minimal downtime. As it is now, assuming they're in Blood presence they only get a tiny increase in healing over an Unholy DK.

Yes, I do agree the old DS with glyph was way OP'd. I was able to effortless solo every 5 man quest I came across, usually 2-3 lvls under the mobs lvl. Even on a glancing blow it would restore a fair amount of health, and on crits More then if not all my HP.

Even if they lowered the weapon damage to 80-85%, I think it would be worth it. Or buff the health recovery of imp blood presence. A total of 8-10% damage wouldn't be bad. Blood's resilence in battle, especially endurance battles, was what originally drew me to the spec.

Comentado por hashmel

you do realize you're a dps/tank class and can already solo more than should be allowed simply because you have the ability to heal 10-15% max health about twice every 10 seconds but you want to buff it more?

Comentado por Rankkor

at first I was quite upset about the nerf to DS, but now that I think of it, it is not that big a deal.

Blood Spec is all about healing, and we still have the most robust self-healing on the game, when vendetta+rune tap+bloodworms+mark of blood+vamp blood+2 death strikes on each rotation are mixed up u get a quite durable tank.

let's not forget that the new improved blood presence increases all healing by 10%.

also keep in mind the glyph of diseace, wich didn't existed back when DS was damage-based for the heals.

what's so important about that? you had to reinfect the target on each rotation, wich means= spend 1 frost rune, and 1 unholy to infect, and 1 frost & unholy to DS, after their cooldown is over, if you had the unholy talent that increases diseace duration, you could DS twice, and that's it, on the next rotation u only get 1 DS since again u gotta reinfect the target.

the glyph of diseace is so awesome that you don't need the unholy talent, you infect the target once, and DS, on the next round, and all rounds after it, you can DS twice each rotation, since 1 blood rune is enough to reinfect the target with their diseaces.

esentially this means, every 10 secs you get back 20% of your total health, and this heal is increased by improved blood presence, and vamp blood, not to add the reg healing you get by blood presence, plus bloodworm procs, plus rune-taps, plus mark of blood, plus vendetta.

blood-specced DK's are still the most insane self-healing toons in the whole game, any DK who still wanna complain about it simply doens't deserves the title of Death Knight.

as blood-specced DK I can still trow myself at a group of 10+ mobs in icecrown, and take 'em all down without getting lower than 40% HP, that is quite unfair to other classes that break apart when they fight more than 5 at the same time.

I can only pray that blizz leaves blood spec exactly how it is now. since after all the nerfs, I finnaly think blood is perfectly balanced, it's not OP; and it's not gimped, it's perfectly fine IMO.

Comentado por Zanarkand

Fyi:

If it kills a target that grants experience or honor, Death Strike will always heal you for at least 5% (7.5% if improved) of your maximum health.
You do not need any diseases on the target to benefit from this heal.
It also does not increase healing received if you do have any diseases active, meaning 15% (Blood and Unholy) and 10% (Frost and untalented) max health are the maximum amount of healing you may receive from this ability.

This is omitted from the tooltip, but easily tested.

I presume this is a leftover effect from the time when Death Strike only healed if it killed the target.

Comentado por Nimmersatt

So far, for Cata, damage has been increased from 75% WD to 150% WD. Part of this can be explained by the lack of damage boosting talents as shown below while the rest has to do undoubtedly with the new rune system, however it seems that most of this damage boost is due to it being a tanking ability. Patches 4.06 and 4.3 confirmed this, making it the DK hard-hitting cooldown ability like Shield Slam or Shield of Righteousness, giving bonus crit to the equation too. The way this heals and the amount of healing has been changed drastically. During Wrath, healing was based on how many diseases were up on the target, you were healed 5% of your maximum health per disease. Blood DKs got talents which upped the healing by 50% allowing them to self-heal as if they had 3 diseases up, for 15% of their maximum health.

However for cata, you are healed for a minimum of 7% of your maximum health (10.15% talented) and a maximum of 20% (29% talented), with diseases no longer being an issue. Furthermore, Blood Shield has been added for tanking, which absorbs additional physical damage scaling with mastery. In short, it heals less now, even talented, however it deals significantly more damage and, for tanking, applies a physical damage absorption buff.

LK:
75% Base
97.50--30% Improved Death Strike
116.25--25% Glyph of Death Strike
123.75--10% Blood Gorged HP
130.50--9% Bloody Vengeance
133.50--4% Two-Handed Weapon Specialization
135.75--3% Blood Gorged Armor Penetration (boss armor reducing damage by 30%)
158.41--15% Blood Presence

Cata:
150.0%--Base
330.0%--120% Improved Death Strike
390.0%--40% Glyph of Death Strike
393.0--2% Bone Shield (max for Tanking)
432.3--10% Frost Presence

All in all, a 189.50% increase in damage without Blood/Frost Presence and a 172.90% increase with Blood/Frost Presence. The mechanics of the new glyph seem to be an incentive to maximize RP generation and keep as full of a RP bar as you can, meaning that you should spec into both Scent of Blood and Runic Power Mastery (though avoid Butchery as it's not worth it). Because of how the glyph is designed, your damage ranges from 330% WD (333% with Bone Shield) with 0 Runic Power when cast to the above listed 390% (393%with Bone Shield) with a full 100 (or 130, you get no bonus for over 100).

Edit #1: updated glyph information

Edit #2: updated glyph information

Edit #3: Massive recalculations, given the bonuses effect only the base damage and not the bonus' stacked

Edit #4: Updated for patch 4.06

Edit #5: Updated for patch 4.3

Comentado por 629499

How will the healing work on this ability?

Comentado por Kaylthas

"healing you for 30% of the damage you have sustained during the preceding 5 sec (minimum of at least 10% of your maximum health)"

This pretty much seem like a Nerf to DK soloing old content.

Old content mobs will rarey make you lose enough health for the healing to be worthwhile.

Any thoughts?

Comentado por Derren

I was always using deathstrike while soloing/questing,keep my hp up but with the new changes DS is now really crappy.

Comentado por vexitbqf

Death strike doesnt require diseases to get the heal anymore.

Comentado por loik

But it no longer needs diseases.

Comentado por 629499

Someone above commented that he can only use DeathStrike half as often with the new rune system. I must say this is a lie and a half. The rune system is actually quite excellent as long as you keep your runic power abilities being used as much as possible. I am actually now using DeathStrike quite bloody often. If you're soloing or tanking, you will be able to use it most of the time, but if you're dpsing, you won't be able to, but then again, you won't need to. (hopefully) I would say that DeathKnights this patch have seen a really big upgrade this patch. They're almost indestructible >:]

Comentado por loik

~~Good news everyone! Improved Blood Presence will make Rune Regeneration 15~~ 20% faster! .~~And Blood Presence will make Rune Strike spamable~~! And Rune Strike will only be able to use in Blood presence and increased runic power cost (30), but you no longer need to dodge or parry and obviously it's instant!

Implemented :P
Improved Blood presence

Comentado por 772943

Now then the question is. If i somehow managed to get hit by 300k dmg within 5 seconds. Would i heal for 100k?

question beaing. Is there a cap?

Comentado por camcrus

wil this spell cause any threat after next patch? or do i have to use another spell instead of it to cause threat

Comentado por ArMeDSuRvIvOr

In the ooooold alpha version of Wrath of the Lich King, Death Strike worked differently. It was originally intended to only heal the Death Knight if it was used within 5 seconds of a mob's death, hence the name "Death" Strike. If you used this, and the mob died 7 seconds later, it would deal damage but you wouldn't get a heal.

NOTE: If I recall correctly, it's healing effect used to work like at the start of WotLK, healing you for a percentage of damage done per disease.

Now you know why it is called "DEATH" Strike. :D

EDIT BELOW:

I was just saying that Death Strike's name has a DIRECT correlation to its original, intended purpose, instead of other abilities that do not have anything to do with death.

Take for example Death Grip. It only pulls people to you. No death involved.

Death gate, no death involved, you open a portal to Acherus.

Comentado por 206010

I am curious about the uses of this, and DK tanks in general on the Baleroc encounter. As the the health of the tank gradually increases here, reaching over 1M by the end of the fight in 10 man, which also means ~100k Vengeance, I wonder how DS will work there?

I'm sure Blizzard took care of DK tanks not to be overpowered in this encounter, but anyway, maybe they still have some space to shine here.

Comentado por childofnewlight

I agree with you 100%, I think diseases should be required. But that's not the new/easier WoW approach this game seems to be following.

Previously, Death Strike use to heal based on how much damage you did and how many diseases you had on your target. Blizzard retooled it to now only return health based on how much damage you had taken over the last 8 seconds.

Making it ALSO require diseases would make the skill far too moody to use as a DK's primary "mitigation" tool. Its already limited by the fact that if you fail to take a substantial amount of damage over the last 8 seconds it will fail to restore a significant amount of health.

Comentado por QuickBASIC

Cast on critters between pulls while you're questing instead of eating.

Comentado por Bogdanov89

Use this AFTER you have received a lot of damage, or if you are significantly wounded.

Unless more DPS is needed, try not to use Death Strike if you are at full health, due to it's self healing being wasted.

The Blood Shields will stack with themselves, so do not worry about overwriting one with another.

Comentado por Donnosaur

Comentado por 719649

It seems that the Death Strike heal cannot crit. I just did 137 DS heals after taking fall damage and all of them healed for the same amount give or take one hp, and I had a little over 10% crit chance.

Comentado por Xiberion

Its damage has dropped from 330% weapon to 150% ._.
Also no glyph for more damage to it either.

Comentado por Resented

With the 4.3 change causing Death Strike to heal on attempt instead of on a successful hit, you can use it to heal yourself against immune targets. Very useful for a bit of healing when a Mage pops Ice Block.

Comentado por 995550

The shield this skill gives DOES stack and refresh it's cooldown on use. This means you can get a 100k+ physical absorption shield fairly easily.

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