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Comentado por 2338

If you are interested in the proc rate of lifestealing then read this.

http://rogerkarlsson.com/blogs/wow/lifestealing/

In short, the proc rate for lifestealing is based on your weapon speed, and the approximate proc rate for any given weapon can be found via this formula.

proc rate (%) = weapon speed * 7.87

Comentado por Finkle

Does anybody know how much this heals for?

Comentado por 7121

The proc rate on this is amazing, for a rogue I'd highly recommend lifestealing over any other higher level enchants (such as crusader) due to amount of survivability it'd cause for a rogue.

Comentado por Thottbot

It steals 30 per proc.

Comentado por Thottbot

It only has a 1% chance to drop, and it only drops from mobs in pretty much one of the hardest 5 man instances in the game, if not the hardest.

Saw it in Ironforge AH one time on Destromath, it sold for about 300 gold. Several people on my server know it on alliance side, and some do for horde as well, as I've seen various swords and daggers, such as heartseekers, with lifestealing on them in the hands of Horde.

Seems like Unholy is a lot more difficult to find than anything else, but that's okay, as Unholy is a really crappy enchantment.

The price of the mats itself is what really sucks, it's probably the most expensive enchantment possible, usually from 130-160g just to pull all the mats together :P

Comentado por Thottbot

Another thing not taken into account...

That average 20% crit rate will affect the base dps as well.

This means the total additional dps won't be 301.5. 80% of it will be 301.5, and 20% of it will be 603. The overall average base dps will be 361.8.

The total healing will be 200, the total additional dps will be 361.8, and the additional bs damage will be 92.46.

Crusader will yield 654.26 vs. lifestealing's 480!

Comentado por Thottbot

if an enchant procs 6x per minute.. it looks at your weapon speed to determine a proc %.

2.8 second weapon = 21,43 swings per minute.
6 procs per minute = 3,57% proc chance

This does not include instant attacks... so if you are a rogue.
instant attacks make this MUCH better on a slow weapon because the enchant will have a higher default proc rate.

Lifesteal > crusader > +15 Agi > Fire enchant.

Simple math :
Put lifesteal on your main hand,
+15 agi on your offhand.

Comentado por Thottbot

As a DW fury speced warrior with LS on both my weapons, I usually deals 250DPS against lv58~lv60 twilite mobs with little down tme(sit to eat or FA), farming for repu in case 1.9 is coming.

For ppl like me, LS boosts your efficiency significantly, by reduce healing time and ensure continuance(think about the speed/dmg boost when you crit/get crit'ed, this doesn't last long!)

I generally agree with 90% of math done above, but remember:

your health gained >> dmg dealt.

IMO, 100hp add for you, you can do 300dmg to a mob(when farming).

read:
LS WAY BETTER FOR FARMING.

Comentado por Thottbot

Crusader is a much worse enchant for rogues! If I had to guess, I'd say that the above poster probably already owns crusader, and is trying to justify his mistake in purchasing it.

Key stuff the lester guy missed:

- Lifestealing is six times as likely to proc as crusader. Not four, six. (Lifestealing is 6ppm, Crusader is 1ppm. Even by Lesterman's crappy formula, this alone puts Lifestealing at 720 per fight, way higher than crusader, for a Rogue.)

- He completely neglected the effect of armor on the dps crusader adds. He also didn't mention parries, dodges, blocks, and misses, all of which reduce the damage from a successful Crusader proc, and none of which reduce the damage of a successful lifestealing proc. So his +damage number for Crusader is probably more than twice as high as it should be.

- The primary benefit of Crusader, that the AP bonus multiplies with backstab, only matters for backstab rogues.

- The fact that Crusader essentially does damage over time is a big drawback for a couple of reasons. 1) You have to be continuously beating on the guy for the ten seconds subsequent to the proc to get the full amount of damage. This isn't so unlikely against elite mobs in PvE, but is pretty unlikely in PVP. 2) The AP bonus from the procs doesn't stack, (I don't think) so if it procs more than once in ten seconds a lot of the damage is wasted.

Crusader is an enchant for those who get 2 AP per strength. Warriors, Shaman, Paladins, this is might be the best enchant for you. The reason it used to be popular for Rogues is that Lifestealing did fire damage, which is useless in much of MC. They fixed it though, Lifestealing does shadow damage now. So if you're a Rogue, get this or Fiery Enchant, and don't waste your money on Crusader.

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Comentado por Thottbot

Heres the deal (as I see it).

I've heard that lifestealing is a set proc rate at 25%. I can't say this is true or false, but for this discussion we'll say that it does. Although if this is true a rogue using fast daggers will get more of an advantage out of this enchant then a rogue, fighter or hunter will with the popular slow weapons.

Now, heres the deal, lifestealing is a set 30 damage 30 healed. This means that you'll get the solid set damage from your main hand as well as your off hand.
Doing the math (assuming it is set at 25%) if this enchant is put on a couple of 1.3 speed daggers it'll kick out 5.77 dps in damage and another 5.77 dps in healing per dagger. Again, assuming the above is true Blade Flurry and Slice and Dice will pull even more DPS out of this. With these two stacked Lifestealing will theoreticly kick out 8.72 DPS in damage and healing per dagger.
Major downer to this enchant is that it can be resisted (unlike crusader) and seems to proc at different rates depending on what you fight.
So, this may be the clear winner for rogues.
The main place where I'm thinking this will loose out to the +15 agl enchant is with hunters number one and with rogues using slower weapons.

Put the above against crusader. Crusader will heal for much more and give 100 str. This is a solid 14.28 dps for fighters and pallies main hand and 7.14 dps for fighters offhand, hunters and rogues main hand and 3.07 for hunters and rogues off hand This is before applicable skills ofcourse, but the thing to look at here is that this extra DPS is applied reguardless of the speed of the weapon you use.
I'd say without question this is the winner for fighters and even more so if they're dual wielding. Now although it will not stack with a second proc from the same weapon, it will stack if both the main and off hand weapon both proc. Considering this I'm thinking this blows the +15 str enchant outa the water. Done side is that if a person see's this come up their first insinct should be to stun you or do some other action that keeps you from using it. Also mobs will randomly do the same burning this proc.

Personally, I'm running a lvl 56 rogue with dual julies daggers. Many will flame for this and it's understandable as the standard rogue build is with a slow many hand and a fast off hand with damage procs. I will say this though, ginding furls in Felwood I've put all but a couple to shame in damage regardless of their level (Other then the mage bombs with good healers backing). The few that do out dps me have been a 60 for quite along time and have the BoP gear to do so. Yes, I do take a hit in ambushes, backstabs, and sinister strikes, however I', pulling 16.15 dps from poison and 5.77 dps per dagger from this enchant. With slice and dice this moves to 21 and 7.5 dps and with both this and blade flurry I'm pulling 24.42 and 8.72 dps per dagger. Ofcourse the healing is scaled too. This makes up the difference in full and then some plus gives the major added bonus of healing. These combined have helped me out big in instances (LBRS, Scholo and BRD so far) and put me close to the top.

So, all in all, I'll stick with lifestealing whenever I have a faster set of daggers, but possibly jump to something else when and if I find slow BoP daggers worthy of using.

So, what is best? Depends on what you are, your build, what you're using, and what you want. My guess is that lifestealing will be crazy powerfull for a few with the right weapons and play style, (like my rogue) but weak in comparison to the other enchants for the rest.

Comentado por Thottbot

GG thotters, another debate that fails to acknowledge variety of game play within WoW.

First of all, not every Rogue is a back-stabbing, eye-gouging, sand-throwing ganker. Please stop living in just one dimension.

There ARE fights that are plenty long enough to take full advantage of Crusader's timing "limitations," and it just so happens those same fights will render your abilities like Gouge, Blind, and sometimes even Backstab useless. Furthermore, these same fights usually entail a brigade of healers at your back, and hopefully a tank soaking most of the damage; meaning Lifestealer's heals are a little less crucial. These types of fights also are against mobs with high Resists. In short: Crusader or Agility are much better than Lifestealer in MC, BWL, AQ, etc. Apparently you haven't heard of these places. That's OK, go back to sleep.

As for Agro - YES, I found Lifestealer to cause more agro when I had that, vs. the pure DPS from Crusader. Someone asked that question and never got an answer, so there you go.

For PVP Rogues, I would go with Agility, based on the reliability and sporadic damage argument (not to mention increased Dodge and Crit).

The only case where I endorse Lifestealer is for the intrepid Flurry-speced warrior. /drool over Lifestealing then, which is ironic since STR is a Warrior's main stat. Heh. Of course, tanking Warriors should still use Crusader. But if you're a Fury/PVP Warrior, you can't always count on having a Priest at your back like you can in a Raid, so healing becomes more of a premium then. And yes, sometimes when you chain Flurries together you will see Lifestealer go off like the 4th of July. 10-second fight against a level 60 and you're left standing over their corpse with 90% health and 50 Rage because you couldn't spend it fast enough. Rinse, repeat. Thanks for playing.

Oh, and one more thing:

NEVER hamper your enchants' effectiveness by splitting them up! Pick which one is best for you, and Dual Wield that one enchant to ensure it's maximum effectiveness. Please stop the "LS main/Agil off-hand" non-sense. You neuter both.

Comentado por Thottbot

This article about Lifestealing might help you determine if it is a good enchant:

http://rogerkarlsson.com/blogs/wow/lifestealing/

It shows that the assigned chance on hit to proc is higher on slow weapons than on fast ones, that the wielder benefits from using instant strikes or other talents that increase the attack speed, etc.

Comentado por Thottbot

Lifestealing drains 1 point less per level past 60. At level 70, you deal 20 damage, and heal 20 health per proc.

Comentado por Allakhazam

They intentionally made weapon enchant procs go off a time calculation, not off a weapon speed percent chance. If a weapon is slow enough, it will approach or meet 100% proc rate. This is why it's comical when people think enchants on two fast weapons is going to be some crazy powerful setup. In reality, two weapons with lifesteal is nice, but only because you have two, not because of the speed of the weapons.

This is not Everquest. Blizzard did not want weapons with enchants to be too powerful by putting them on a 1hander as opposed to a 2hander.

Edited, Wed May 25 11:30:25 2005

Comentado por Allakhazam

Spearx 60 druid, Alliance on Bronzebeard has this spell, wisper in game for arrangements

Comentado por Allakhazam

I just got this formula from Scholo and i am going to sell it. Can anyone say the price what i put for that?

Comentado por Allakhazam

I hear the formula drops in scholo.. but just rumor can any confirm what mob drops this item?

Comentado por Allakhazam

Flow on bladefist is charging 60-70g + all of the regeants

Comentado por Allakhazam

Whats the going rate$ for this enchant?

Comentado por Allakhazam

If i would like a healing weapon, would thsi or Crusader be the best? I was thinking one of them in combo with spiritbond on a 1.0sec attack rate pet would make my hunter rather fast healing =)

Comentado por Allakhazam

does anybody know if +helaing effects this say i have 30+healing on my priest idk why i would have lifestealing but will it make it 60 lifestolen or would it still be 30
please respond

Comentado por Allakhazam

This is not a 100% proc its about one in 5, Although it steals more than 30 HP it displays in lots of 30. A green affect similar to unholy weapon glow appears on proc and more often that not I get 3 lots of 30 per proc. the green stuffs circles around the mob and usually takes 90 by the time it dissapears in groups of 30.

The glow on the weapon itself is a reasonably dim purple (a little bit dissapointing in that regard). I am about to swap it for +9 Int or something else seeing as though I dont use omen of clarity much anymore. I have had it on my glowing brightwood as per my charactre profile in this site since about lvl 55

Edited, Tue May 24 08:43:33 2005

Comentado por Allakhazam

I have it on Quel'Serrar and makes a great tanking enchant, better then crusader i would argue.
It also generates a lil bit of agro but i mainly picked it cause with the 'santury" spell on Quel i have no need for crusader and the mats are HEAPS cheaper. Worth getting for main hand weapons :)

Comentado por Allakhazam

so im making a twink rogue and im trying to figure out which enchants are worth the money that kill in BGs i was thinking to go with crusader in main (cruel barb) and lifestealing in off hand (cruel barb) and some thing else on my dagger any suggestions?

Comentado por Allakhazam

I have lifestealing on a really fast weapon (1.5), on that speed of weapon it procs about every third hit, dealing 30 damage to an opponent and healing you for 30. As mentioned, this drain can be resisted (and will always be resisted on killing blows, so automated counters can be off while counting resists).

The other problem: Onyxia is immune to this effect. I forgot to check when fighting Ragnaros if he was immune too, but odds are that he is. In my opinion this is a great PVP enchant and terrible in PVE. If I was a rogue I'd dual wield lifestealing daggers in the Battlegrounds for sure, not sure how it'd perform on a 2 hander.

Comentado por Allakhazam

do you guys know does "increases dmg nad healing done by spells and effects" make this stronger? it makes life stealing of skullflame shield stronger

Comentado por Allakhazam

is the ppm the same on your off hand as on your main hand? in other words is an enchant like this still as effective on your off-hand as your main hand

Comentado por Allakhazam

Ok so the proc on the enchant is 30 life at around a 25%-30% rate...I have duel wield on my dawns edge. i am a enchnater on alliance side and i do have the lifestealing enchant. If you have any more questions i am on the natherizim server. It has a purple glow...it looks sweet...

https://www.wowhead.com/classic/search?q=Emagextreem

Comentado por Allakhazam

Listen I can't give you math or rock solid info, but I can tell you from experience.
I use dual Lifestealing on my Dal Rends set.
I know of the contraversy over how this procs, so I decided to test myself. I first got my offhand done (1.7 speed for the off-hand I believe) and the proc was so/so. I'd say I'd get 1-3 per PvP fight in a roughyl 30-45 second time frame.
Next I did the Sacred Charge (2.7 or 2.8 speed).
There was absolutely no question the proc rate took a huge jump using this on my main hand. It easily procs up to twice as much off the 3.8 sacred charge than the tribal guardian.
This must go back to the fact using instant attacks proc this more.

Therefore it leads me to believe it is not a chance on hit, but a PPM (just like why crusader procs much more off a 3.8 weapon speed over my 1.3 speed bonescrapper).

Comentado por Allakhazam

I have the formula for sale on Scarshield Legion server. /w Annda, if i am not on just drop a mail. Price is the median 600g

Comentado por Allakhazam

does anyone know just how much the "reduced" affect is? i am considering getting this on my swords, but would appreciate some input on how much it hits for after 60.

Comentado por Allakhazam

If I were to put this enchant on a crappy weapon for a level 1 character, would I still get the 30HP drain effect?

Comentado por Allakhazam

I have this enchant and its only good for low lvls i also have a crusader on my dagger and it heals me for more then the life steal some times its resisted too. so in my opinion for a lol lvl like 10-20 good but 45on up not so good i would go with crusader over the life steal
Life steal Proc for me in a battle on elites that were the same lvl as i and it proc 4 times and crusader did too the only thing is Crusader healed me for 95 to 110 when life steal dose only 30 at the max and can be risited. in my opinion which dont mean squat is crusader so good luck .
Soulbanshee

Comentado por Allakhazam

From rogerkarlsson.com

Chance on hit (%) = weapon speed * 7.87

Comentado por Allakhazam

Why isn't it stated in the tool tip that weapon procs works like that? They only say there is a chance per hit.

So a player would be lead astray to think that the more often he hits the more it procs.

Why can't they clear that up? I don't really believe that about the weapons proc chance being linkted to its speed.

Comentado por Allakhazam

I just got this formula from Scholo and i am going to sell it. Can anyone say the price what i put for that?

Comentado por Allakhazam

this procs 100% and steals 1-100 health depending on speed of the weapon

Comentado por Allakhazam

Is this worth doin one hand crusader and one hand lifestealing?
Anyone know, pretty expensive experiment to try myself :P

Comentado por Allakhazam

how do you know how meny times it should proc per min?

Comentado por Allakhazam

the amout of life stolen is 30, heals you 30 at the same time obviously too. it has a faint purple glow and the proc looks like a shadow bolt...also, it procs like MAD. At least 20%, put it on a fast weapon and you steal life like crazy. I have had entire fights whee i proc'd almost every swing, its all chance though. price for materials is kinda high, anywhere from 50-80g at AH. I've had this chant for 7 levels, and i must say i'd give up my horse first...

Comentado por Allakhazam

Formulae drops off spectral researchers in scholo, but dont bother farming it, cos the drop rate is lesser than 0.75% and only 6 spectral researchers spawn each time.

BTW this dropped for me and it sold for 250G ;D
Alliance side.
I only saw one other person on the alliance with this enchant on his weapon

Server : Gorgonnash

Comentado por Allakhazam

is agilty+15 off hand creul barb and fiery in main (creul barb). Then agilty+15 off hand and then in main it Lifestealing
what is better combo

Comentado por Allakhazam

Where do you get this?

Comentado por Allakhazam

This is a rare find lol, Actually I've only heard of one player in Ner'Zhul that has it( and were pretty high populated realm). But it does drop in Scholo and it is probly best enchant id say.

HAHA i'd give up and epic horse for it in no time :)

Comentado por Allakhazam

well this weapon is 100% proc on a 2 handed weapon

Comentado por Allakhazam

Conceited jerks aside, nice to see so many varying opinions. I watched mine proc one in every 5-15 hits and furthermore, I saw the 30 life and also zero. My advice is get this because you either a) like purple or b) want bragging rights. I got mine for c) all of the above. Still trying to decide if it was worth it. And it does drop in Scholo. Our 'chanter got it on the 6th mob we killed and he lit up like he was casting Hellfire.

Comentado por Allakhazam

I dont think you can really go by the forums. Cause on each server they have thier own prices. For example, on eonar righeous orb goes for 100g and on Shattered hand it goes 35-45g so you should just check your Ah for the price of that enchant

Comentado por Allakhazam

whats the amount of life stolen ?

Comentado por Allakhazam

Fate of Gorgonnash(alliance) is selling this enchant. Whisper him in-game or drop him a mail if u are interested

Edited, Thu Sep 8 23:29:02 2005

Comentado por Allakhazam

Does anyone know if lifesteal increases aggro?

Comentado por Allakhazam

does anyone know if this works for a druid in cat or bear forms?

Comentado por Nineoneone

Inflicted damage and healing effect doesn't scale with SP. Tested on paladin with 240 SP.

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