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How to Do Mythic +15s and Getting Into Mythic Dungeon Keys - The Titanforge Podcast Ep #24

criado 23/11/2019 em 00:51 por Squishei

This episode of the Titanforge Podcast explains how to make the jump from the +10 level up to those 15s. We cover pugging, the nuances of the in-game group finder, as well as the “meta,” how to succeed despite it, and when to reroll because of it.

The in-game group finder is full of people looking for groups, but it has relatively few groups forming from it. You should use this to your advantage and make your own groups for the keystone in your bags rather than applying for groups in the sea of applicants. This is especially good if you play a non-meta specialization and want to avoid being declined to groups!

Listen to this episode to learn additional tips and learn how to elevate your game to the next level in order to get those Mythic raid quality items and the prestigious mount and title rewards that are coming next season!
How to Do Mythic +15sTwitchHostsTettles:
Hello, my name is Tettles, and I am currently a Balance Expert in the Dreamgrove. I am a top Mythic+ player, competed in MDI #2, and am a raider in one of the top NA guilds, Might - Zul'Jin - Horde - NA. You can find me in the Dreamgrove Discord, on Youtube, or on my Twitch.

Dratnos:
Hi, I'm Dratnos. I stream on Twitch and make videos on YouTube focused on the high-end Mythic Plus and raiding scenes. I also create the Weekly Routes at RaiderIO and make content for Method. Come by my stream and say hi, or get in touch through Discord!

Trell:
Hi, I’m Trell. I am a guidewriter for Brewmaster Mythic+ on Wowhead, and a veteran in the Peak of Serenity discord and community. I have been a top ranking tank player focused on high Mythic+ since the launch of BFA. I enjoy competing for the highest keys possible on live servers, and competed in both 2019 MDI seasons. I am a monk player at heart so you can be sure to find lots of Brewmaster-focused content on my Twitter @trellsky, My Youtube channel or on my Twitch. Feel free to stop by and say hello!!

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Comentado por calmboarAt this point in time, a 15, given everyone is close to 450 in bags, or ~445 BiS, with neck level 67-70, is absolutely nothing. You should be able to ram it down consistently, reasonably speaking, but you're playing the game in easy mode.

But there's an issue. There's a lot of people who wish they could do 15s and hope and think they're good enough, but never make the time investment. WoW is a very 2-dimensional game and playing even at close to the top doesn't require understanding complex things. It's a game of having invested time to train your muscle memory for what are simple mechanics (10%) and the rest is having the right people to play with. Regardless, in a 15, given the ilvl allows you to make up for so many mistakes, you shouldn't need anything above the basics.

What Dratnos said later on in the stream is exactly the only thing you should need: "Play a lot and be prepared to be rejected a lot, like a lot. It's like dating.". People don't care about others inherently and as such, expecting empathy in the LFG while asking others to take a gamble with you (a thing you wouldn't do yourself) is going to drag you down a lot. No one plays "for fun" and they just want a good, efficient run. If you manage to get lucky to impress them in the first run, then they'll add you and you can start from there, but that's highly unlikely.

If you are at thise ilvl / gear levels and you're having trouble doing 15s, there's a lot of things you can do better, but they don't matter in a 15 currently and as such, although you need to perfect your gameplay, you should focus on playing A LOT. There is no such concept as solo-carry in M+ keys, you're as good as your worst player and as such, you need to flip the coin enough times to eventually land on the good side.

But do you have the time / patience to endure all these times it didn't go right? Especially when it's not your fault most likely? A key is 20-30 mins for the queue, then god knows how long until someone leaves. That's close to an hour wasted for...hundreds of times.Comentado por s0515033You can just be having trouble because you lack a good group to run with. It's really that simple. Good groups are hard to find. Doesn't matter how goo you are; only as good as the population you're around or have access to. Only about 10% of the total population has even completed 10s in time across the board, so that is the population you are relying on to get anything done.Comentado por AsderialWhy do you need a podcast, when you need to say only one sentence? 'Just play a meta class like rogue, dh or rdru'.Comentado por waelkdRemovedComentado por MiokoGood groups are hard to find. Doesn't matter how good you areComentado por thebdcEveryone has its own level I know, but when your tank aggroes 5 packs and expect to survive with necrotic, or when noone ever uses their counterspells, well... that usually doesn't go very well and there's not much I can do as a monk healer.unavoidableavoidableComentado por RiviiaFeels bad for me as discipline with good rio and 7/8 m progress to get even into 10s while im having +15s in time .. People just want only resto,resto,resto even when it dosent matter so much in 15s keys.. So finding a group for 10-15 key takes me like 15 min of declining and i sometimes i just lost mood to do even some m+ cuz of it and log off :/ ..Comentado por DaillemandAt this point in time, a 15, given everyone is close to 450 in bags, or ~445 BiS, with neck level 67-70, is absolutely nothing. You should be able to ram it down consistently, reasonably speaking, but you're playing the game in easy mode.

But there's an issue. There's a lot of people who wish they could do 15s and hope and think they're good enough, but never make the time investment. WoW is a very 2-dimensional game and playing even at close to the top doesn't require understanding complex things. It's a game of having invested time to train your muscle memory for what are simple mechanics (10%) and the rest is having the right people to play with. Regardless, in a 15, given the ilvl allows you to make up for so many mistakes, you shouldn't need anything above the basics.

What Dratnos said later on in the stream is exactly the only thing you should need: "Play a lot and be prepared to be rejected a lot, like a lot. It's like dating.". People don't care about others inherently and as such, expecting empathy in the LFG while asking others to take a gamble with you (a thing you wouldn't do yourself) is going to drag you down a lot. No one plays "for fun" and they just want a good, efficient run. If you manage to get lucky to impress them in the first run, then they'll add you and you can start from there, but that's highly unlikely.

If you are at thise ilvl / gear levels and you're having trouble doing 15s, there's a lot of things you can do better, but they don't matter in a 15 currently and as such, although you need to perfect your gameplay, you should focus on playing A LOT. There is no such concept as solo-carry in M+ keys, you're as good as your worst player and as such, you need to flip the coin enough times to eventually land on the good side.

But do you have the time / patience to endure all these times it didn't go right? Especially when it's not your fault most likely? A key is 20-30 mins for the queue, then god knows how long until someone leaves. That's close to an hour wasted for...hundreds of times.Comentado por ExaltysJust be the right class and get invited every time! /sComentado por lovelywazWhy almost everyone always start complaining about meta classes and/or not getting "invited" into groups. Where's YOUR own key? Use your key and go from there, plain and simple. That will also give you some idea how easy/hard it is to actually form a group and hope it doesn't go south on the first death or you go overtime and end up with a lower level key.

Every single M+ run starts with a "key" and at least one person in the group is the key holder.Comentado por AeraTrue summary:

Do lower keys and other content first. Get better gear. Gradually increase difficulty, earning better gear. Learn the mechanics, and end up doing +15.Comentado por sinangelusI really wonder where are all these droves of "I'm a great player but can't get into groups" people.

I thought I'd attempt to make a premade group for farming +15s (keystone master), hit up several m+ / achievement oriented discords, only a handful of replies and seriously, zero healers. Maybe because I'm EU Alliance and it's a dead faction. But let's not shift all the blame to "resto druid meta" if people are simply uninterested to join groups, or only want to join teams above their skill / experience level.

It's very frustrating that when you make attempt to avoid pugging, in the end you're still forced to pug. :(Comentado por tettlesGosh, all those hosts are so handsome and hunky. I wish to see more content from them! Very smart and informed opinions!Comentado por fathobbitniceeeeeeeeeeComentado por JudylockPlease nerf Starfall, It's an overpowered ability, Tettles never stops talking about how powerful it is and why boomkins are broken, Please blizzard do something !Comentado por DratnosGosh, 2/3 of those hosts are so handsome and hunky. I wish to see more content from them! Very smart and informed opinions!Comentado por ShpiceyGosh, 2/3 of those hosts are so handsome and hunky. I wish to see more content from them! Very smart and informed opinions!Comentado por fernislGosh, all those hosts are so handsome and hunky. I want to see more content from them! Very smart and informed opinions!Comentado por woohyunPlease nerf Starfall, It's an overpowered ability, Tettles never stops talking about how powerful it is and why boomkins are broken, Please blizzard do something !Comentado por KiovMan, Trell being as handsome and attractive as he is really helps me learn the content. Thanks guys <3

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