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How Much More Tank Threat Does Each Essence Slot Give?

criado 24/7/2019 em 12:07 por Squishei

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Comentado por Nurmat This wasn't problem in Legion :) Comentado por meercats same with cata needed to boost threat to tanks as it was a problem, why change the tank threat in start, it works before hacking at it Comentado por Ternel One more thing made worse than legion though deliberate design decisions.\r
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Reduced tank agro generation is right next to the GCD changes in terms of deliberately deciding to make the game worse Comentado por Ylsera Most people probably won't agree with me, but i liked tanking a lot more when threat was an issue. It made things more fun, knowing a dps or healer could overagro.
Also fighting for agro as a tank was something i enjoyed. I quit tanking when it became a non-issue. So who knows, might pick it up again now threat seems to be something you have to consider again :-) Comentado por FlesHBoX Some really good points here. It's not really about the threat multiplier so much as it is about damage scaling. I loved the threat game back in Wrath when tank threat was only what, 2.1x? The reason that worked, however, at the end of the expansion, was because tank damage scaled roughly the same as DPS damage, so we never had that point where we started to feel like DPS classes were making it harder and harder to hold threat.\r
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Meanwhile, the very first key I ran with my group in 8.2 I was worried for the next skittish week because I could already feel my dps starting to peel off of me in large packs, resulting in a lot of tabbing through targets, making it much more difficult to handle interrupts and explosive orbs without losing threat on a mob here and there.\r
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Personally, I would prefer a much more organic threat system, built on rotational abilities, where threat is an actual gameplay aspect, rather than simply a mathematical mechanic and my only option for threat is to hold back my hardest hitting abilities "just in case". I want to feel like the buttons I am pushing actually matter for something more than just damage output, and I think that moving the threat game to tank rotations would make it much more interesting as a tank... Though I suppose that would have the downside of potentially raising the skill floor for tanks, and reduce the number of tanks available. Comentado por Aerolite08 I don't see the point in giving tanks small increases in threat generation. Maybe I've missed it during a period I didn't play, but I've never seen any supremely interesting dungeon-level gameplay designed around the tank's battle to hold threat while DPS hammer away and risk drawing attention.\r
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Tanks might as well generate insane amounts of threat for combo'ing basic actions and paying attention, and designers could use other mods if they want threat loss to be a significant gameplay mechanic. I have to wonder how Mythic+ tanks feel about the above issue, coupled with weeks having Skittish.\r
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We've been rotating main tanks on raid boss fights since Beta, as it's clearly a mechanic designers want us to have to deal with. If we're supposed to worry about threat, make it an intentional mechanic, not just a scaling problem being perhaps poorly addressed. Comentado por Aerolite08 "make it much more interesting as a tank"\r
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While raising the skill floor for a role might reduce players somewhat, making the role more interesting might also grow the playerbase.\r
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As a long-time DPS player, I like the idea of tanking, but I find I don't have all that much fun when I actually do it.\r
Perhaps I just haven't picked the right type yet, I might have to do some looking around. Comentado por Lowlander0031 The ammount of complaints there will be when everyone goes vanilla. It just needs some adjustments in current situations. It is al so focussed on aoe the hell out of everything now a days. Maybe use some more utilities. Hunter rogues misdirect. Focus on tank target instead of some random mob in the group. Mark mobs up again. So many options. Back in the days you actually used cc cause if you pulled a while pack of mobs they would destroy you. Comentado por uthersfight I honestly believe that tanks having to manage threat is a core concept of the role. there is a certain flavor win of the idea that you are drawing the attention of the enemy so that they focus you instead of your allies. \r
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From a gear perspective it gives players choices. Do they focus on pure survivability or do they incorporate dps stats to bolster threat? Do certain classes excel at aoe threat and can there by stack more defensive stats?\r
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from a gameplay point of view it add another element to the fight. tanks should not get to tunnel into their primary target while everything else just sticks to them. a good tank can toggle between targets blending single target threat output with that of area of effect threat. \r
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Without the management of threat, tanking is skinned down to "taunt on 3..." this is lackluster in design and makes for boring choices in gear and gameplay. \r
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While I do not yearn for the threat management of classic, I do not think that this is the best change to make for tanking in the long term. Comentado por Vetochka This wasn't problem in Legion :)\r
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It wasn't because of in Legion tanks had much more threat on basis. When BfA hit, threat was significantly lowered in the very first patch. Now blizz "return" when they took from us in the way that we need to farm it (most likely to be removed later again with HoA gone) Comentado por FlesHBoX Most people probably won't agree with me, but i liked tanking a lot more when threat was an issue. It made things more fun, knowing a dps or healer could overagro. \r
Also fighting for agro as a tank was something i enjoyed. I quit tanking when it became a non-issue. So who knows, might pick it up again now threat seems to be something you have to consider again :-)\r
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While I wholeheartedly agree with you, the issue here isn't that threat generation is difficult, it's that damage scaling between dps and tanks is making it so that tank threat is going to become impossible. Without these threat buffs, by the end of season 3 we would see skittish weeks being a non-starter, simply because no tank could hold against their dps without doing tiny pulls that result in depleted keys.\r
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What this article is pointing out is that this is really just a stopgap solution, and the problem is going to return again once ilvl inflation happens.\r
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I was one of the tanks who welcomed the threat nerf from legion (it really was stupidly out of hand, being able to hold threat on 20+ targets with a single blood boil while dps did 99.99% of the mobs health ) But I also predicted this threat buff immediately when those threat nerfs were announced.\r
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To put it into solid numbers, at level 55 if I am doing 15k dps against a mob, I am generating enough threat to prevent a player doing almost 78k dps. That's fine right now, but as we get further into season 3, even with the level 65 buff that window starts to get more and more narrow. If your dps is only doing 50% more damage than you, then this isn't an issue, but if you're playing with dps who routinely pull out huge numbers, it's going to get stressful in large packs.\r
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And of course, this says nothing for skittish weeks, where tank threat is reduced massively. At that point, the 20k dps tank isn't going to be able to hold threat against the 100k dps. On skittish weeks, holding against 40k is going to be difficult on single target without a substantial damage lead, to nearly impossible in aoe situations. Comentado por Mightylorddk Solution: Use a hunter who know how to misdirect. Comentado por Frogspoison Some really good points here. It's not really about the threat multiplier so much as it is about damage scaling. I loved the threat game back in Wrath when tank threat was only what, 2.1x? The reason that worked, however, at the end of the expansion, was because tank damage scaled roughly the same as DPS damage, so we never had that point where we started to feel like DPS classes were making it harder and harder to hold threat.\r
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No, you seem to forget that while Tank's baseline threat generation was fairly low, all tanks had an ability that generated increased threat - Druids had Lacerate and Maul, Warriors had Sunder and Thunder Clap, Paladins actually had a much higher threat multiplier on Righteous Fury then what other tanks did, as did DKs with Frost Presence (Blood Presence became the tanking presence in Cata, in WotLK, it added leech and extra phys damage). The extra threat generated also scaled with AP at the time at a VERY high rate, which resulted in threat generation significantly outpacing dps - It was easier to hold aggro in ICC, when damage started to shoot up due to a number of classes hitting all kinds of various caps, then it was in Naxx due to the weird scaling on the bonus threat. Comentado por Segano Imagine skirmish weeks now... Either I go in with 2 Rogues and a Hunter or no tanky for that weeky. Comentado por orionaegis7 The major slot should be much larger, call considering all of dps' majors increase their damage, and for tanks that is very much not the case 9% is fine for a minor but they need to favor in the major as well Comentado por Nurmat Solution: Use a hunter who know how to misdirect.\r
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But rogue has it too https:\/\/imgur.com\/a\/ekIfSwS Comentado por Karmottv I would love to see some changes to the tank dps scaling. I dont need to be pushing the same as dps but some classes are getting 20k-30k ahead of tank damage numbers. \r
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On the topic of aoe pulls it hits it right on the money, once people hit ilvl caps and you run into a mob of 10 that tank is gonna have to work his but off just to peel each individual mob off the people who hit even the small cd's. Comentado por TOMRUS Why nerf tank threat in BFA in a first place? It's a dumb change that created nothing but more problems than it "fixed"...

And it they want to fix it now, they should just buff baseline multiplier instead of this bandaid fix with essence slots increasing it... Comentado por Kanariya For some reason, the addon Omen3 doesn't provide a 1 damage to 1 threat ratio. As such, we will convert all these screenshots back to a 1-to-1 damage to Threat ratio using a rough ratio (0.6288 threat to 1 point of damage)\r
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I thought Legion changed Threat to be 1 Damage = 0.5 Threat. I could have sworn I read that on here. Comentado por deiae maybe every dps just has to be a tailor now, to cope with threat.

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