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Jdotb BFA Q&A #8 - MDI All Stars, Weekly Affix Advice

criado 29/10/2018 em 11:45 por Squishei

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Part 1: Pre-Season 1 Preparations

Part 2: Learning Skips, Personal Loot

Part 3: Azerite Traits, King's Rest Advice

Part 4: Azerite Armor, Infested and Teeming

Part 5: DPS Roles

Part 6: Tank Meta, Arcane Torrent

Part 7: Mythic+ Currency System, Class Buffs

Part 8: MDI All Stars

Part 9: Mythic+ Healer Balance, Regional Class Preference

Part 10: Explosive, Underrot, Tol Dagor Changes

Part 11: Reaping, Grievous, Boss Difficulty

Part 12: Shadowmeld, Season 2 Item Levels

Part 13: 8.1 Thoughts and Role Rankings

Part 14: 8.1 Dungeon Changes, Keystone Deletion

Part 15: Remaining Issues in Mythic+

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Method Jdotb Q&A #8Click here to see the MDI All Stars Viewers GuideMost ChallengingWaycrest Manor - This dungeon is slotted third in the final series, and it’ll be a doozy of a tiebreaker if the teams make it there. Sanguine is always going to be an issue in a dungeon as tight as Waycrest, and it’s especially bad when you’re trying to pull big and fast. It also negates the ever-popular MDI strategy of pulling trash on to bosses and burning it all down together since even one tick of Sanguine on a boss can undo any time savings you might reap.

Explosive is what really makes this dungeon a pain, though. Waycrest has plenty of trash packs with lots of small mobs, and with each of them throwing off their own Explosive orbs it doesn’t take much bad luck to end up with five or six orbs up simultaneously. And the trash in Waycrest is some of the worst in M+ right now in terms of spells that randomly target party members, meaning one orb going off might kill a party member that’s sitting at half health. Don’t expect this to make teams any less aggressive, though, as everyone will probably just cross their fingers and hope that the orb spawns remain manageable.

Since the keys are all +13, none of the boss fights are ever going to be terrible, but Tyrannical Waycrest will present some of the more challenging encounters in the All Stars tournament. But mostly this dungeon will be dictated by who can manage their Explosives the cleanest.

Temple of Sethraliss - This is another Explosive map, and you might begin to detect a theme in the “Most Challenging” category. Fortified Temple isn’t a particularly scary dungeon, and while Bolstering will slow it down, it won’t make it “hard” per se.

But all bets are off when you add Explosive to a dungeon, and it’s one of the things that frustrates MDI teams. Most affixes are challenging in one way or another, but they’re also mostly predictable. But Explosive always has the potential to randomly spit out five or six orbs during a modest-sized pull and instantly wipe the group. And Temple’s bosses are some of the worst when it comes to Explosive. Adderis and Aspix will both spawn orbs and have a proclivity for attacking people that get near them when they aren’t being actively tanked, so it can be dicey to send in a melee DPS. And using any attack that cleaves can proc Lightning Shield, so someone might get zapped. Merektha’s snake adds will also spawn orbs when they come out, which isn’t a big deal on the transitions but can become a big deal when spawned in the third phase as the floor is filled with venom. And Avatar is one of the most dangerous Explosive fights in the game, as each of the humanoid adds can spawn orbs (the frogs were mercifully hotfixed not to) so there might be six or seven potential spawn points at any given point in the fight. Don’t be surprised if there are some “oopsie” deaths in here.

King’s Rest - King’s Rest will be a tough dungeon simply because it’s over-tuned as is. If you check the M+ leaderboards, you’ll notice that King’s Rest always lags one or two key levels behind virtually every other dungeon, and that’s because King’s Rest just hits hard. Throw Quaking (one of the worst affixes for unavoidable damage) into the mix, and this dungeon suddenly isn’t a cakewalk even if you aren’t attempting giga pulls.

Some of the bosses in here are legitimately tough with Tyrannical, and I wouldn’t be surprised if bad Quaking timing clipped someone with the Gold Spit or Severing Axe debuffs.Most InterestingMotherlode - Mob density is one of the bigger factors that influence a dungeon’s entertainment value, and Motherlode is jam packed with trash. There are way more mobs in here than you’ll need to finish your mob count, so there are lots of different ways a team can pull throughout the dungeon. And the mobs are all close to each other which means you can expect to see some mega pulls with two, three or even four packs of mobs getting pulled together and burned down.

But Motherlode trash is also notorious for having some unavoidable mechanics that hurt, and the key will have Raging on it, so expect some of these pulls to get hairy when the mobs get low. You can count on melee DPS getting popped at least once or twice in this dungeon by a Raging Grease Gun or Rock Lance, and the tank won’t have an easy time either. Thankfully the dungeon is Tyrannical so the trash isn’t cranked up as much as it could be, but it will still be unlikely to see clean runs.

Expect teams to pull fast and hard in here and for them to get a bit banged up in the process.

Freehold - Like Motherlode, this dungeon has lots of trash hanging out near each other, so there are a lot of options on how to pull. There is also a role playing event that turns some of the trash friendly, meaning you have even more ways to play with your mob count. There will be big pulls in here.

But what makes Freehold unique is that it also introduces non-linearity with its bosses. It’s probably too much legwork to skip the first boss, but the final three bosses can realistically be completed in any order. Don’t be surprised if the route each team takes through Freehold is significantly different.

Atal’Dazar - Like Motherlode, this dungeon has lots of trash that can be pulled together. And like Freehold, this dungeon is non-linear, with the only requirement being that Yazma be killed last. But what makes this Atal’Dazar map special is that the affixes on it are about as free as possible. While Motherlode limits pull size with Necrotic stacks and scary Raging mobs, and Freehold slows you down with Bolstering, Atal’s Teeming (especially on Tyrannical +13) won’t impact the dungeon much, and Volcanic might as well not be an affix.

So while I know a bunch of people at home are probably thinking, “It’s Atal’Dazar, everyone knows how you pull Atal’Dazar,” you should come into this match with an open mind because I’m expecting some seriously wild pulls.Boss Fight I’m Most Excited AboutVol’zith is always an interesting fight because of the Whispers of Power debuff, but this Shrine will be extra fun because it’s a Grievous key. The Whispers debuff eventually leaves the recipient with 10% max health, and Grievous will be ticking away the whole time doing 7% of your health when it reaches its full five stack. This fight will be a thrill ride for anyone keeping the debuff from start to finish.Weekly Affix AdviceDungeons Most Affected by FortifiedKing’s Rest - The mini bosses following the Golden Serpent (Queen Patlaa, Queen Wasi, King Rahu’ai and King A’akul) are all scary without buffs, so giving them more health and damage makes this room uncomfortable at best. Spectral Berserkers leave a nasty physical DoT on the tank that stacks, and it can quickly get out of control on Fortified weeks. Watch out for Spectral Beastmaster’s Poison Barrage as it can easily wipe a group if it hits multiple party members. Shadow of Zul will deal a lot of damage to the tank, so make sure to have cooldowns ready.

Waycrest Manor - The Heartsbane witches and Bewitched Captains do tremendous damage to the tank, and the Matrons have a lot of health. The confined quarters of the manor don’t leave much room for kiting, either. The Gloom Horrors before the final boss do a lot of damage when they jump, so you will want to be careful about which party member is standing furthest out (which is what determines who gets leapt on).

The Underrot - You will want to handle Tick packs carefully as they can easily wipe a group if they all explode simultaneously. Be careful on packs with Headhunters (who root) and Blood Matrons (who charge and cleave) as you can get one-shot by this combination. Bloodswarmers will be at the very least incredibly annoying and potentially lethal if their Sonic Scream interrupts healers. Pay very close attention to the Spirit Drain Totem from Bloodsworn Defilers. Fetid Maggot’s Rotten Bile can quickly kill a ranged player if it isn’t interrupted.

The MOTHERLODE!! - Be sure to interrupt Hired Assassins as their Toxic Blades / Hail of Flechettes combo can easily wipe a group. Mine Rats target random players with Throw Rock, so be careful not to pull too many and risk bad RNG on who gets targeted. Taskmaster Askari wrecks tanks, so make sure to have cooldowns ready for him. Watch out for Mastermind’s Energy Lash as it hurts quite a bit, and don’t let Feckless Assistants finish their Transfiguration Serum cast or they will turn into Grotesque Experiments which are much more difficult. Be vigilant with Crawler Mines on the way to Mogul as they will do quite a bit of damage if they explode on a player.Dungeons Most Affected by QuakingWaycrest Manor - The narrow hallways of the manor will make it difficult to avoid stacking up during Quaking. The Triad will be much more dangerous during Sister Solena’s phase as Aura of Apathy will make it difficult to heal through Quaking, and if Quaking and Jagged Nettles come out simultaneously it will likely kill the Nettles target. You’ll want to be sure not to trigger Goliath’s Burning Brush right before Quaking goes off.

Tol Dagor - The cell blocks in the prison won’t leave you much room to spread out for Quaking. Watch for Upheaval on the first boss coinciding with Quaking as that will need cooldowns. Be extra careful with your positioning on Overseer Krogus -- it will already be hard to heal through Bursting Shot combined with Quaking, and any overlaps of those abilities will kill someone.

Shrine of the Storm - There are a couple minibosses in Shrine with heavy AoE damage abilities (Windspeaker Heldis’ Gale Winds and Guardian Elemental’s Shipbreaker Storm) that will make Quaking especially deadly. The Abyss Dweller pulls already do a lot of random party damage, so Quaking can be enough to kill people that get Lashed several times in a row. It will be super dangerous to hold the Whispers of Power debuff on Vol’zith -- letting it fully stack will cap your max HP at 10% so you’ll need heavy mitigation cooldowns or shields to live through even one Quaking.
Dungeons Most Affected by BurstingShrine of the Storm - Shrine has many pulls that include lots of low-health trash mobs that will quickly stack up Bursting. Watch out for the Tidesage Initiates and Animated Droplet pulls at the start of the dungeon and before the Tidesage Council fight. Also be careful pulling the Abyssal Eels before Vol’zith.

Tol Dagor - Lots of groups like to do big pulls at the start of Tol Dagor and round up all the trash before the first boss -- this will obviously be very dangerous on Bursting week. At least the respawn point is only a few yards away. Stinging Parasites after the first boss will leave a DoT on players in melee which, when combined with Bursting, can easily kill someone without defensives. The pulls within the prison itself aren’t necessarily big, but there are a lot of neutral mobs that can be accidentally pulled and unintentionally add to Bursting stacks.

Siege of Boralus - The Kul Tiran Footmen sprinkled throughout the dungeon tend to come in large clusters and have low health, so you’ll need to pay attention to them and not carelessly pull them with other packs. You’ll also want to watch the ground closely while pulling Bilge Rat Buccaneers as the bananas they place on the ground will stun you which can easily lead to a death if Bursting is rolling simultaneously.Dungeons Most Affected by This Week’s AffixesShrine of the Storm - The big trash packs in Shrine will make Bursting annoying, but Quaking is where the real danger lies. The minibosses will all hurt quite a bit on Fortified, and adding in the additional Quaking damage can often be the last straw that wipes a group. You’ll also need to be very careful on Vol’zith as Quaking will kill you if you hold on to the Whispers of Power debuff with no mitigation or absorbs.

Tol Dagor - As you might expect from a prison dungeon, there isn’t much room to move around with Quaking in here, and it’s easy to clip other party members when trying to spread out. Bad Quaking timing on Sand Queen’s Upheaval can kill a player, and if your group forgets to spread out before Jes Howlis’ Smoke Powder you can easily have two or three players stacked for Quaking. The real test will be Korgus, as your group will probably be clustered for the positional requirements of the fight so Quaking will require additional movement and also add another source of damage.

Waycrest Manor - Waycrest’s hallways are going to be an issue with Quaking, and the Fortified trash in here already hurts. The Triad has several abilities that make Quaking dangerous (Jagged Nettles, Aura of Apathy), and Soulbound Goliath’s Thorns and Brush abilities are both ripe opportunities for Quaking to kill someone. Make sure not to let anyone sit in a Soul Lens for too long on Gorak Tul as they will be helpless against Quaking the entire time.Dungeons Least Affected by This Week’s AffixesTemple of Sethraliss - There’s room to move around in here so being stacked for Quaking isn’t a big issue, and Temple is significantly less dangerous on Fortified than Tyrannical. None of the pulls are big enough to make Bursting a threat.

Freehold - Lots of space for Quaking, and several trash packs in here have disparate health values so ideally you’ll stagger the mob deaths and avoid a huge Bursting stack. Most of Freehold’s danger lies in its bosses hitting hard, and that isn’t nearly as big of a deal on Fortified week.

Siege of Boralus - Wide open dungeon to avoid stacking with Quaking, and while some of the trash packs are big enough to make Bursting an issue, the trash itself isn’t particularly threatening.

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Comentado por EfkiusAs balance explosives suck bad for me. If in group with dh and rogue those wankers to slow aim orb and i need use alot starsurge. Not mention others caster also #$%^ but probally to lazy deal with orbs.Comentado por voltigeuse01I have been playing wow for about 10 years and I cannot understand what this guy is saying.. is it in English?Comentado por voltigeuse01I meant the previous commentComentado por JaidalynWow won't teach you how to grasp what someone with poor english is trying to say, you gotta go outside to learn that skill.Comentado por sinangelusThat post sums up typical pug in a nutshell: no one wants to kill explosive because "dps loss". How about you do the tactics and prevent a wipe? Nope...

Personally I like to check the damage done to the explosive at the end of dungeon, unfortunately I'm rarely surprised to actually see someone put a lot of effort into killing them.Comentado por BlahblahwhateverAs balance explosives suck bad for me. If in group with dh and rogue those wankers to slow aim orb and i need use alot starsurge. Not mention others caster also #$%^ but probally to lazy deal with orbs.Comentado por RizariaAs balance explosives suck bad for me. If in group with dh and rogue those wankers to slow aim orb and i need use alot starsurge. Not mention others caster also #$%^ but probally to lazy deal with orbs.Comentado por QminatorAs balance explosives suck bad for me. If in group with dh and rogue those wankers to slow aim orb and i need use alot starsurge. Not mention others caster also #$%^ but probally to lazy deal with orbs.Comentado por Paultje82Just remove that whole Explosive affix for something better.

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