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A Look at Class Stacking in Mythic Uldir

criado 20/10/2018 em 08:47 por Squishei

Melee Spots and Spread Mechanics

Taloc: Mythic difficulty adds the spread mechanic Artérias Endurecidas. This ability occurs once every minute and only effects 10 members of the raid.

MOTHER: Mythic difficulty adds a new add, which casts Vírus Endêmico. This cast can be stunned and the adds have little health, so it's likely guilds will see few, if any, casts of this debuff and it only affects one person at a time.

Zek'voz: Mythic difficulty changes the cast time of Raio Ocular to 1 second, which causes players to have to pre-spread, rather than run the cast out and there's only so much room around the boss and adds without losing melee uptime.

Vectis: Mythic difficulty adds a spread mechanic for players with at least 6 stacks of Infecção Duradoura, and with an additional debuff jumping around, most of the raid will hit 6 stacks causing them to remain spread every time Contágio is cast.

Fetid Devourer: Mythic difficulty makes the debuff Miasma Fétido and Paroxismo Pútrido spread to nearby targets, with Paroxismo Pútrido having a very large radius. There's only so much room around the boss, and around the adds which have a high DPS check.

Zul: Mythic difficulty adds no new spread mechanics and players only need to run out with Revelação das Trevas in Phase 1.

Mythrax: Mythic difficulty adds no new spread mechanics, but Esfera do Oblívio requires constant spreading on any difficulty of Mythrax. In addition, Mythic difficulty spawns a new add with a smaller hitbox that has a high DPS check and the add always lines up with the Esfera do Oblívio timer. This may cause melee to have trouble hitting the add to maintain the spread, in the off chance they are picked for an orb.

G'huun: Mythic difficulty adds no new spread mechanics from heroic. Onda de Corrupção still splashes to nearby players and a new mechanic is added Fervura Irruptiva. While Fervura Irruptiva on its own doesn't require you to spread, melee may have to help soak this mechanic and lose uptime in general.

MethodLimitExorsus

Guild

Taloc

MOTHER

Zek'voz

Vectis

Fetid Devourer

Zul

Mythrax

G'huun

Method

Limit

Exorsus

Chuva CurativaTotem do Vínculo do EspíritoClass BuffsClass BuffsPergaminho de Guerra do Brado de BatalhaNote: Limit killed Mythrax without a warrior, but also had no hunters. Only 4 dps and 2 tanks would benefit from a Warrior's full Brado de Batalha.

Guild

Mythrax

G'huun

Method

Havoc DH
Arms Warrior
Windwalker Monk
Frost DK x2

Havoc DH
Arms Warrior
Windwalker Monk
Frost DK

Limit

Havoc DH
Havoc DH
Sin Rogue
Sin Rogue

Havoc DH
Arms Warrior
Arms Warrior
Arms Warrior

Exorsus

Havoc DH
Arms Warrior
Sin Rogue
Sin Rogue

Memento

Havoc DH
Frost DK
Frost DK
Sin Rogue

Havoc DH
Arms Warrior
Arms Warrior
Frost DK

Pieces

Havoc DH
Arms Warrior
Arms Warrior
Frost DK

Tank Representation

Blood DKs on Zek'voz to use Garra de Sanguinávido to group all the Guerreiro Silitídeo together to kill them efficiently as they were one of the hardest parts of the encounter.

Blood DKs on Mythrax to use Garra da Morte to free players from Esfera do Oblívio effectively.

Vengeance DHs on Zul as a third tank to kite all the Crorg Sedento de Sangues in circles.

recent Q&A sessionBlood DK nerfs on the 8.1 PTRunannounced Brewmaster Monk ChangesSpecific Fight MechanicsFetid Devourer

September 11, Nerf 1 - Boss, Corruption Corpuscle and Mutated Mass health significantly reduced.

September 13, Nerf 2 - 10% less health on Corruption Corpuscle and Mutated Mass

September 18, Nerf 3 - 10% less health on Corruption Corpuscle

Affliction Warlocks were very good for the prolonged burst damage on the Mutated Mass.

Sub Rogues were used to burst the Corruption Corpuscles with their burst windows via Dança das Sombras.

Arcane Mages were used to burst the Corruption Corpuscles with their insane burst windows with the pre-nerf Tempestade Cerebral trait (where it was nerfed by 75%).

BM Hunters have Ira Bestial for every Corruption Corpuscle wave, which is something that other classes are not able to do.

Manto das SombrasMiasma FétidoParoxismo PútridoZul

All Forces of Blood adds on Mythic difficulty have the Recomposição Sanguínea passive which resurrects them 12 seconds after they die. The specific add this is important for is the Crorg Sedento de Sangues.

This causes the Crorg Sedento de Sangue to constantly resurrect and reset their energy so Estouro Inchado is never cast.

This means that you'll have Crorg Sedento de Sangues up at all points in the fight.

Crorg Sedento de SangueTempestade de ShurikensSequência de ShurikensCrorg Sedento de SangueTempestade de ShurikensEviscerarSequência de ShurikensEviscerar

Two rogues were as geared as the rest of the raid - Item Level 369 and 371

The remaining three rogues were undergeared - Item level 356, 352 and 349

Mythrax

Every minute, Mythrax summons his add Xalzaix which does high raid damage until he is brought to 50%.

Once he hits 50%, he heals to full and goes back into an untargetable state.

However, he does not wipe Damage Over Time effects and still takes damage, even though he is untargetable.

Corrupção AbsolutaCorrupção AbsolutaEsfera do OblívioGarra da MorteEsfera do OblívioAnel da PazG'huunrequired

On Mythic difficulty, however, the Power Matrix also pacifies the holder, ensuring that they have to work in pairs to pass the orb.

In addition, both sides spawn a Power Matrix and both sides need to deposit the Power Matrix within 3 seconds of each other.

To counter this, Mythic progression guilds used four Warlocks to place two Demonic Gateways on each side, to significantly reduce time spent running and passing the Power Matrix.

The first player would pick up the Power Matrix, take the gateway to the halfway point, pass it to the second player, who would then take the second gateway to the end of the platform and deposit the Matrix.

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Comentado por yager05SIN rogue? WTF?Comentado por DolphudbudSounds better than calling it an 'Ass Rogue', I guess?Comentado por alexreeSIN rogue? WTF?Comentado por RykinzaSounds better than calling it an 'Ass Rogue', I guess?Comentado por RykinzaThey can type "Windwalker" fully but Assassin is to hard to type... Good job.Comentado por zexsudelSIN rogue? WTF?Comentado por VetochkaSIN rogue? WTF?Sounds better than calling it an 'Ass Rogue', I guess?Comentado por GrogalLol at tank representation. But Blizzard stays in denial... This expansion has by far the worst class balance ever!
Yet so far I see very little to no changes coming for Warrior or Druid tanks in 8.1...Comentado por AelielLet's not give buffs to all classes, they said, that'll work fine, they said. Yes, let's just give the buffs to classes that would get taken anyway, that'll work out super well. We don't want to make classes too same-y. It's okay, you guys, you'll get taken to raid anyway! Or, er, not.

(Yes, I'm aware this post is about mythic, and I'm aware of the extreme class stacking requirements inherent in the world first race. Alas, the combo generated by their failing at class design and their general inability to design fights that aren't melee unfriendly means the same issue happens basically everywhere else in the game, only slightly less severely. And I am very salty still about the class buffs thing in particular.)Comentado por 123FakestreetCtrl + f: priest.

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D:Comentado por SciofSoAI prefer "Sass" for assassin.Comentado por AngelarThey really threw "bring the player not the class" out the window.Comentado por SpacyBoarNice seeing paladins so well represented. It feels good to be useful. Oh wait...Comentado por McSlashedThe Xalzaix interaction with DoTs seems like a bug to me, but since Blizz hasn't "fixed" it I guess it's intended?

The fact that not one single Raid Designer thought about the ramifications of having adds up all the time on the Zul fight just blows my mind. Sub Rogues have been able to damage funnel for a while now with large groups of adds into ST damage. Uninformed designers?

G'huun silence mechanic on orbs just shows some of these end-tier Mythic bosses were never tested internally in a proper manner. When you NEED four Lock gates to deal with a mechanic shows again the lackluster commitment to internal testing the current Dev team has. This goes double for Fetid, who was literally impossible before the second nerf without drastically over-gearing the fight.Comentado por MaXiiczekLol at tank representation. But Blizzard stays in denial... This expansion has by far the worst class balance ever!
Yet so far I see very little to no changes coming for Warrior or Druid tanks in 8.1...Comentado por AlariusNice seeing paladins so well represented. It feels good to be useful. Oh wait...Comentado por fathom81SIN rogue? WTF?Comentado por sinangelusLol at tank representation. But Blizzard stays in denial... This expansion has by far the worst class balance ever!
Yet so far I see very little to no changes coming for Warrior or Druid tanks in 8.1...Comentado por Cyborg009I certainly appreciate the observations and insights provided by this post.
As someone who didn't play rogue, the information on "Damage Funneling" was quite helpful.
The details on mythic raid melee spots and spread mechanics are quite useful for raiders that haven't done mythic yet.

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