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WoW Economy Weekly Wrap-Up: 8.1 PTR Recipes, Fishing, Niche Markets plus The Undermine Journal

criado 13/10/2018 em 12:09 por Gumdrops

check out the previous articles right here on wowhead.comGumdrops/r/woweconomy subredditDiscord serverTradeSkillMasterPTR Profession Recipescheck out the Wowhead liveblog and catch up on the VOD if you missed itMarca de HonraMarca de Honra@JessiDee303 talks a bit about why this may be the nail in the coffin for her EU gold-making challenge
Looking at the PTR, it appears that Blizzard intend for the new crafted BoE gear, Sinister Combatant’s, to require Marks of Honor for the rank 2s & 3s again. Now I know, “it’s the PTR, it could change” but the fact that the gear is called Sinister Combatant’s and the recipes are on the same vendor as the Honorable Combatant’s recipes does suggest that Blizzard intend to once again force us goldmakers to grind our faces against content that has nothing to do with goldmaking.

I HATE PVP! I’m not good at it, I don’t enjoy it, and waiting sometimes half an hour in a BG queue only to be steamrolled by the other team that is complete with 3 healers while you have only 1 and are also 2 members short of a full team, can be rather rage inducing.To go through all of that and get no reward, thus making no progress towards that next recipe rank is infuriating, especially when you don’t want to be playing PVP in the first place. It seems though that we may be expected to do it all over again in 8.1.
chanceWhat do you think about the accessibility of recipes in Battle for Azeroth? Do you mind participating in something you don't specifically enjoy in order to perform better in something else that you do enjoy doing?Fishing/u/Virlomi shared their feedback on Fishing this week with some interesting ideas to tweak the way we fishHi! I made a post on the World of Warcraft forums for this, and would like feedback and further ideas for this. If you're interested in reading the thread, or giving it a like after reading it here, it's located here.

Hello, everyone! I want to sit down with you all, and see if you're interested in this idea, and maybe get some traction for it to be implemented by the game developers.

Currently with Mining and Herbalism, you can click on a node and gather the entire thing in one fell swoop. It was a change that was, at the time, a godsend it seemed like. It made farming more efficient for both ores and herbs. I want to bring the same sort of thing, as well as a couple other things, to fishing.

Don't get me wrong, there have been vast improvements over the years. Additional bobbers, baits, new fishing poles, etc. Can't say that I've exactly gotten new visually seen items with herbalism or mining every expansion, at least not ones that are easily noticeable.

Additionally, I liked the idea of getting quests to learn new techniques to gather more items from a node that came with Legion, instead of just finding a mining node that was 'Rich X' ore nodes. It felt like I was involved more with learning about how to gather the new resources. I will say I didn't like how long it took for some people to get Rank 3 of certain professions (ie; it took me until ToS to finally get Rank 3 of Felslate nodes. Not seam, just the more common node). Battle for Azeroth's Rank 3's, on the other hand, felt much better paced. And it continued involving the character with the story of how the Zandalari work their natural resources.

So, what am I proposing here? For the sake of a little bit of vanity, it's this:

New reputation, immediately available in Battle for Azeroth's next major patch, or possibly next expansion, and be a present faction until the End Times. Inspired by The Anglers, which should never have been left behind. Let's call it...

Kaitelynn's Fishing Emporium

Neutral: You hear about this faction, and investigate. There shouldn't be a whole lot quite yet available, just as with most reputations. Basic vendor items available.
Friendly: At friendly, you unlock new vendor items. A couple new bobber, maybe a slightly-cooler-than-basic-fishing pole, Rank 2 cooking recipe that involves fish, etc.

Key Friendly Unlock: This is the point where you learn the very basics of fishing in the new expansion. If this were to go live with BFA, I would give fishing a chance to pull out 50% more fish per cast. Provide an introductory quest or short questline to get this, as well as a few World Quests in the various zones to gain reputation and fishing related rewards. In the future expansions, this will be Rank 1 Fishing for that expansion as you learn basic knowledge about the new fish.
Revered: At Revered, you unlock more vendor items as usual. More bobbers, other Rank 2 recipes or even Rank 3 recipes of non-feast cooking recipes.

Key Revered unlock: Fishing lures that attract specific types of fish when in open water fishing. (Example, currently you open water fish and get an average of 50% casts being Redtail Loach or Greatsea Catfish; this would change this chance to something like a Redtail Loach lure providing closer to 80% of casts being Redtail Loach, and 20% Greatsea Catfish). In future expansions, this would be Rank 2 for that expansion as you learn about the new fish.
Exalted: At Exalted, every vendor item is available. The tabard, new faction related mount, toys, pets, etc, as well as one of the Rank 3 feasts recipes perhaps.

Key Exalted unlock: You're now able to buy a Cast Net. This is a new item that would allow you to cast over a fishing node, consume the entire node, and provide 10-15 fish from it. In future expansions, this will be the Rank 3 unlock for that expansion as you learn about the new fish.

/u/Nakedseamus shares their thoughtsFishing is vastly broken.

There is absolutely no reason to seek out nodes. Freshwater fishing is more efficient for gathering Loach for example because even after you spend time searching for a node, you still only get one fish at a time from it. Better to stand still and wait for waterfront turn ins to include great sea catfish.

Out of 500 casts with UA I actually caught more trash than 1000 cats without using the UA, making the benefit of having it still sort of work in BFA null. And who needs a ton of waterwalking if you aren't node hunting.

Fish oil being available from the fishing vendors at launch is still impacting prices (at least on my server) so that if the fish itself isnt used in a feast they go for a fraction of what other fish do because people still have 20k fish oil they bought from a vendor, and are willing to sell it super cheap. This makes fishing for goldmaking very slow gph wise which in turn makes people not want to do it, which lowers supply which drives prices of those other fish up even higher.

Theres no major goal. No artifact, no fisherfriends, and therefore no community. Grinding rep in a raid for fisherfriend of the isles was (and still is) cool in a chill way, but it's a shame that I have to go to older content to still have some sort of community.Have you fished yet in Battle for Azeroth? How does it compare to Legion fishing with the Artifact fishing pole?Niche Markets/u/Moonkyng shared a refreshing post on the /r/woweconomy subreddit with two strategies that are quite outside the box
I've always been a proponent of avenues of profit that you can plan, predict and repeat. Things that won't rely on a volatile market, but rather on problems the game is presenting to players. You come up with a solution to that problem and charge accordingly. BFA is no stranger to this and has presented a few new roadblocks to how people want to play the game.

I have two entire action bars that have 24 different sales macros and /r explanations. Some are expansions old and still produce great sales. Some are newer. I've had good results with a couple BFA ideas I've been doing for the past month, so it's time to share. Maybe they can be refined and evolve with the help of this sub.

Both have to do with making alts easier for players and less of a headache to get ready for the end game. One focuses on the 111-120 range, the other on brand new 120s. You invest some time learning the process and setting up a workflow, then it becomes very low impact sales.

Wall of text incoming... I left out a ton of small details, reasonings and justifications and it's still lengthy!

Leveling Care Packages
Remember when you used to hit max level in older expansions and you'd get a wrapped gift in the mail with some potions, other items and a congratulatory message from Blizz? Instead of rewarding someone after their work is done, this rewards them on beginning the journey.

I send a list of leveling tips and instructions along with ~18-20 stacks of items that make the leveling process much less painful and much quicker(do a single Legion invasion zone, which gives 70% of a level, then the BFA starting quest will bring you to 111, even while skipping the scenarios). I also give them a road map of how to level that gets them to 120 quickest while still getting them WQs immediately and opening the 3 home zones and 3 opposite faction areas so they have all their mission followers available.

I've pre-sourced/crafted all the items at bulk rates and built in a healthy profit margin. However, the real beauty of this is I can price it very competitively against the current total listed AH value of all the pieces and still have it be very beneficial to me. In essence, I'm guaranteeing sales of a bunch of items I'm already selling individually, which already have their own profit margins built in, while still offering a significant discount to the buyer.

The package contains important gear slots of crafted 225/233 armor, rings and trinket that match their spec's stat priority + Versatility, a weapon to replace the depowered Legion artifact, BFA gems & enchants, Legion flasks & potions(Skystep, Invis, Rejuv, DPS), Goblin Gliders, Contracts, Stirrups, Tomes, sheeping bombs, food and the Insightful Rubellite 5% exp gem.

I don't include BFA food, flasks or potions because they do scale and aren't powerful at lower levels. I don't include helm, neck, chest, shoulders because they are quickly filled with Azerite gear.

On my 2 main realms, I use 2 bank tabs that are stocked vertically with each component in the package, so it's easy to assemble for buyers.

Results - I've had lots of repeat customers and their #1 feedback has been how fun it is to have a shower of consumables they don't have to be shy using. Also, while some were hesitant about Versatility at first, they say the ~25-30% Versatility and lifegain trinket combine to allow them to mass pull everything with no fear.

320ilvl Queueing Sets
New 120s are met with an inability to easily/quickly progress their ilvl to the 320 queue requirement for the Warfront scenario (370 and 340 rewards) and LFR (340 rewards). The impatient player usually buys a bunch of crafted 300 and 310 gear and a few epic 340-55 items. They quickly get replaced and scrapped/disenchanted/vendored, wasting that investment.

I've put together sets based on armor type of BoE gear they merely keep in their bags, not equipping. Their bag ilvl is then artificially raised to the 320 requirement, allowing them to queue. I offer this set as a sale, or as a rental.

Everyone pays the sale price, then they can pass it along to their next alt, or if they want to return it, I buy it back for a partial refund, which brings their total to the rental price. I advertise it as a sale price and rental price. People are free to try and sell it off in pieces themselves, but I've sourced and priced it to not reward that approach. Plus, I bought out the realm on some of the more rare items I use in the sets.

You have to do a lot of research and math as you're looking to bring a character's bag ilvl to 320 average, but you can spread out the high and low ilvl pieces as your budget and planning allows. So, you're looking for the best ilvl bang for your buck for each gear slot while shopping. Some slots will offer you a lot of extra ilvl on the cheap, allowing you to only use a very cheap 300 or 310 piece for other slots. After a while, you know all the best items for each slot. I made TSM groups for what I found to be each armor type's best combination, but I'd encourage you to do your own, as it is a valuable learning experience.

Results - So far, it's been about 70% of buyers that sell the set back to me, while the remaining 30% keep it for a future alt. There hasn't been any pushback in trade about the notion of a rental, since there is no trust necessary for the transaction. Everyone's been quite encouraging about it actually.

I've intentionally not included my prices here, as I don't want to influence your ideas. Each realm is unique and your packages could/should differ.

Final note, 8.1 is still a ways off, but it's slated to include Incursions (Invasions 2.0), which should result in much easier leveling. So, I have only been replenishing my stock at a pace matching my sales. This way, I won't have much inventory to unload as 8.1 systems become clearer.
/u/Otto_Maddox32 shared a quick tip of their ownThe achievement Enfiando o pé na jazida requires the player to collect a selection of drinks from around BFA. These sell on the vendors for 2-5 gold each. On my server they sell at 60g each on the AH. Easy way to make some passive gold to build your warchest while starting out. It won't make you rich quick but it will make your numbers grow. Hope this helps someone.Which niche markets have you discovered in Battle for Azeroth? Have you used any previous expansion gold-making methods recently?The Undermine Journal/u/DBGoblin put together a guide on how to query the TUJ database and pull it in to your Google Sheet
This is Austin….kidding-kidding! It seems that it is quite a common request how to connect your google sheets to the TUJ DB so I figured I will share my way. Feel free to chime in should you have any suggestions! You can find more information about TUJ’s MySQL DB as well as very nice tutorials in PHP ! Please consider donating or subscribing to them!

Create/Open a Google Sheet
Navigate to Add-ons -> Get Add-ons
Although there might be several add-ons to connect MySQL databases, I will use one called “Supermetrics”. If you have any other preference, go ahead and use that!
Refresh your page.
Navigate to Add-ons -> Supermetrics and click on Launch. A new side panel should pop-up on the right side.
Select “Database” from the list of available data sources.
Fill in the following information

DB Type: MySQL
DB Address: newswire.theunderminejournal.com
DB Port: 3306 (Default MySQL)
DB Name: newsstand
Username: DBGoblin (can be anything BUT blank – example: your username)
Password: (Leave Blank)

Click on “Test Connection” to make sure we can connect to the DB. A green notification “Connection successful” should present next to the button.
Click Save

Next part of this tutorial will be constructing an SQL to get the data out. Unfortunately, this is not something I can help you with, but maybe some other people can help with that or you could visit w3schools.com to learn more about SQL! For the purpose of this tutorial we shall use the following SQL Query:

SELECT
DBItm.name_enus
,IHD.*
FROM tblItemHistoryDaily IHD
JOIN tblDBCItem DBItm ON IHD.item = DBItm.id
JOIN tblRealm RLM ON RLM.house = IHD.house
WHERE RLM.region = 'EU'
AND RLM.slug = 'doomhammer'
AND DBItm.name_enus IN (
'Great Sea Catfish'
,'Redtail Loach'
,'Slimy Mackerel'
,'Sand Shifter'
,'Midnight Salmon'
,'Tiragarde Perch'
,'Lane Snapper'
,'Frenzied Fangtooth'
,'Aromatic Fish Oil'
)

This will give us the historic daily price information of all these BFA Fish for Doomhammer EU. Feel free to adjust this query to your needs

In the sidebar you should now have 2 options, Database query and Data Source.
Select Database query and paste the query I attached.
Select the Cell you want this table to be created (A1) and click on the blue “Get Data to Table” button in the sidebar.

You should now have populated your sheet with data from TUJ!

When you want to refresh this – navigate to Add-ons->Supermetrics->Refresh All and that should do it!

Please feel free to make suggestions on how we can enrich this tutorial – maybe throw in an SQL query of yours! Sharing is caring!
What do you use spreadsheets for in your gold-making strategies? Have you thought about using one but weren't sure how to set it up?Further Reading/r/woweconomy subredditDiscord serverstreaming live on Twitch@GumdropsEU

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Comentado por nvirgCrafted PvP gear requiring pvp tokens which require playing pvp? Crazy concept.

Edit: I totally get the frustration, I just don’t see Blizzard intending to make the change, as its obviously a choice made to give options for pvp players who often don’t raid or pve for mats and crafting. I honestly think they should take it another step further and make Marks of Honor a crafting reagent for the items.Comentado por kweebiaI feel really lucky, in legion it was pretty easy to get marks of honor, (several classes had the automatically finish a world quest thing) so I was saving up for transmog gear. I ended up with like 1,200 marks when BFA launched. Now I'm really glad I put off buying the transmog. One think of note, they are Bind to Account, so you can just pvp on your best pvp guy and send them to the people who need them. I was storing them on my Pets and rep toon who is only level 20.Comentado por neoslayyerCrafted PvP gear requiring pvp tokens which require playing pvp? Crazy concept.Comentado por RazeoCrafted PvP gear requiring pvp tokens which require playing pvp? Crazy concept.Comentado por qaccyCrafted PvP gear requiring pvp tokens which require playing pvp? Crazy concept.Comentado por FibianeFishing in BfA is so boring and useless ..Comentado por kalfeerHell no to any new fishing reputation grinds. There's a reason The Anglers stayed behind in MoP. Fishing reputations should remain in the past.Comentado por blupacheRe: PVP recipes

At present, I'm just flat out not bothering to level PVP gated professions. I have all your objections to it, plus I primarily do professions for non-commercial scale use and the gear isn't worth the time anyway.

Eventually I might level those professions, but I simply won't bother with the recipes.

It seems a bit like the pet battle week quest requiring pet battle PVP. Where they get two of the most unrelated activities (crafting/gathering vs fighting other people), and ram them together because... i dunno?.. maybe they think we haven't tried it & would enjoy it if we were just forced to give it a shot? they want us to be well rounded individuals? it increases time played requirements? we should eat our greens?

PS. And I don't think it's fair to call those items "PVP items". If someone points me at the full set of crafted 300 PVE items, then we can call them PVP items. But frankly, they're just 300 ilvl gear and only a very limited number have non-PVP token equivalents.Comentado por zeeoddballFishing in BfA is so boring and useless ..Comentado por AhrendelHi! I'm Kaitelynn, aka Virlomi on reddit. I can't tell you how ecstatic I was when someone told me I made it to the Wowhead Economy Weekly Wrap-Up! I appreciate everyone's thoughts they've shared, both thinking the idea is good and negative. Some of the concerns I definitely understand! Who ever wants another rep grind? Catching 10 fish in a single go with a Cast Net is too powerful! (And it may well be; it was just a number to be thrown out there). All of it was interesting to read and see some of the ideas other people came up with or comparisons with other games.

Fishing in BfA is so boring and useless ..lookingat leastHell no to any new fishing reputation grinds. There's a reason The Anglers stayed behind in MoP. Fishing reputations should remain in the past.Comentado por SiIverfoxFishing in BfA is so boring and useless ..Comentado por Fenril7As much as I like your idea about fishing, it's too good of an idea for blizzard to use, IMO they love torturing the players when it comes to fishing.Comentado por NiatzuI would love for the level 3 recipe Captain's feast to require less fish and meat, say a stack of 5 for each instead of the 15 it's at right now.Comentado por ThoorinFishing in BfA is so boring and useless ..Comentado por bromainscomplaining about having to get marks of honor a currency that's been in the game for YEARS. especially after they made it so easy to get marks of honors this expac LITERAL babies could do it. PVPers constantly have to do nonsense that has nothing to do with pvp glad to see the shoe on the other foot. most people i know were sitting on hundreds of marks before they made it garaunteed to get.Comentado por neuroxxWhat still bothers me most is that high level crafted gear is BoP. I wasted so much money on ore for leveling BS, for gear I can't sell or use (I wear mail).
Inscription made a huge amount of money in the first weeks with their trinkets, and what do the others get?Comentado por gamecatcatCrafted PvP gear requiring pvp tokens which require playing pvp? Crazy concept.

Edit: I totally get the frustration, I just don’t see Blizzard intending to make the change, as its obviously a choice made to give options for pvp players who often don’t raid or pve for mats and crafting. I honestly think they should take it another step further and make Marks of Honor a crafting reagent for the items.Comentado por Thoorin I wasted so much money on ore for leveling BSComentado por tcriversI think the fishing idea is great, I told my guild at launch that I didn't understand why they hadn't done this already. However, I think it would make more sense to have a fishing NET instead of just a pole. I don't think it makes sense to fish with a pole and pull up 8 fish or something. But I love the idea, I pass hundreds of nodes because I honestly just can't bother to fish in one when it makes more sense to queue for something and just fish in open water. I think a rework is definitely needed! Great idea!Comentado por neuroxx I wasted so much money on ore for leveling BS

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