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Comentado por Josh

The base int, spirit, stam, crit, and spell dmg are as follows with gear upgrades:

Arcanist
- Intellect: 160 (2400 mana)
- Spirit: 72
- Stamina: 109 (1090 health)
- Critical: 2
- Damage: 128

Netherwind
- Intellect: -1 (-15 mana)
- Spirit: -3
- Stamina: 7 ( 70 mana)
- Critical: 1
- Damage: 76

Frostfire (from Netherwind)
- Intellect: 8 ( 120 mana)
- Spirit: -20
- Stamina: 36 ( 360 health)
- Critical: 1
- Damage: 79

Frostfire (from Arcanist)
- Intellect: 7 ( 105 mana)
- Spirit: -23
- Stamina: 43 ( 430 health)
- Critical: 2
- Damage: 155

For a mage, intellect at level 60 is 286 (4290 mana)
Total Intellect with...
- Arcanist: 446 (6690 mana)
- Netherwind: 445 (6675 mana)
- Frostfire: 453 (6795 mana)

Comentado por 769

Total materials for Frostfire (excluding the BOP items):

106 Wartorn Cloth Scrap
3 Arcane Crystal
21 Mooncloth
8 Nexus Crystal
6 Cured Rugged Hide

Comentado por Josh

Really, gathering the materials is not the difficult part. In my opinion, the hardest part of getting the gear is getting the BoP's themselves. Such as waiting in line for your turn to get the piece over the 3 other classes, or actually having the piece drop that run.

It may cost some money to get the mooncloth, Nexus Crystals, and Arcane Crystals. That can also be easily overcome by farming with a friend.

You can get the Arcane Crystals by going through Dire Maul East, you go the short way killing the boss and go through the cave to mine the Rich Thorium Veins, normally there is 2 or 3 a run. You can get the Nexus Crystals easy by either asking your guild bank or buying them off the AH for an average or 14 gold a piece on the average server. The Mooncloth will take a long time if you don't buy it off the AH; you can farm Felcloth and turn it into Mooncloth or as I previously said, just buy it off the AH for roughly 8 gold a piece.

Comentado por 6998

Most people think this full set is the best gear in the game for a mage. However, this is not the case. Around half of this set is actually the best piece for its slot. maxdps.com shows comparisons in dps increase with different sets.

Comentado por 7470

Requires Desecrated Armor along with other items to be turned into a quest npc(except the ring).

Desecrated Armor is dropped in Naxxramas off certain bosses.

The following is a list of what boss drops what:

Head-Thaddius
Shoulders-Gluth, Grobbulus, and Patchwerk
Chest-The Four Horsemen
Pants-Loatheb
Gloves-Maexxna
Boots-Gluth, Instructor Razuvious, and Gothik the Harvester
Bracers-Anub'Rekhan, Gluth, and Grand Widow Faerlina
Belt-Gluth, Heigan the Unclean, and Noth the Plaguebringer
Ring-Kel'Thuzad

Comentado por 7470

The other materials are as follows:

Head
15 Wartorn Cloth Scraps, 3 Mooncloth, and 2 Nexus Crystals
Shoulders
12 Wartorn Cloth Scraps, 2 Mooncloth, and 3 Cured Rugged Hide
Chest
25 Wartorn Cloth Scraps, 4 Mooncloth, and 2 Nexus Crystals
Pants
20 Wartorn Cloth Scraps, 2 Nexus Crystals, and 4 Mooncloth
Gloves
8 Wartorn Cloth Scraps and 4 Mooncloth
Boots
12 Wartorn Cloth Scraps, 2 Mooncloth, and 3 Cured Rugged Hides
Belt
8 Wartorn Cloth Scraps, 2 Arcane Crystals, and 2 Mooncloth
Bracers
6 Wartorn Cloth Scraps, 1 Arcane Crystal, and 1 Nexus Crystal

Comentado por 1409

Does anyone know what the proc rate is for the 6-piece set bonus?

Comentado por RedcXe

The proc can be consumed by any following spell (including not your own), so is not considered useful by many mages.

Comentado por 14566

T3 (limited to 5 same slots) vs. T4
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This is not from me (some modifications for the links though) but i've found this useful comparaison:

For now lets just look at what we have

tier 3
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620 armor
107 stam
113 int
200 damage
24 hit
42 crit
+ set bounes for 5 parts
2: Reduces cooldown on your Evocation by 1 minute.
4: Gives your Mage Armor a chance when struck by a harmful spell to increase resistance against that school of magic by 35 for 30 sec.

Tier 4
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3 blue gem
2 yellow gem
1 red gem
1 meta gem

red and yellow gem https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=24059
blue Gem https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=24056
meta Gem https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=28557

togeater this adds
42 damage
18 stam
12 crit
minor run speed increase
+14 damage for having the right gems
and set bounes
2: Gives you a 100% chance to avoid interruption caused by damage while casting Fireball or Frostbolt.
4: Reduces the cooldown on Presence of Mind by (-24) sec, on Blast Wave by (-4) sec., and on Ice Block by (-40) sec.

making a total damage of 233
total stam of 130
total of 63 crit

(I think the set bounes for tier 4 are WAY WAY WAY better then the ones for tier 3 just the 2 part one alone would be godly for frost mages who don't have a skill in our tree to stop the interuptions to our casting.)

Comentado por 34189

what Instance is this in?
47 mage, quel dorei <<<Noob lol

Comentado por Thottbot

Here is a picture of the set:

http://www.wow-europe.com/shared/wow-com/images/basics/armorsets/tier3raid/mage/human-female.jpg

Comentado por Thottbot

You can't get any of these items directly from the bosses in Naxx (with the exception of the ring) -- you have to turn in a token plus additional materials to a quest NPC in Light's Hope Chapel to get your item. The token system is similar to that of AQ (20 and 40) and ZG, in that a particular token can be used by more than one class. In Naxx, the warlock tokens are shared with mages and priests. Warriors and rogues share another token class, while Pallies, Shamans, Druids, and Hunters share the third and final token class.

Each of the main bosses of a wing drops two tokens, while the other bosses drop one token. The armor slot a particular boss drops will always be the same. The lesser bosses in a particular wing will drop the same armor slot, with the exception of the Abomination wing which has 4 bosses instead of the usual 3. In the Abomination wing, the third boss (Gluth) will drop one token that any of the other lesser bosses can drop. Kel'Thuzad drops the ring to complete the set, and no turn-in is necessary.

The four "minor" pieces of the set all drop from the first two bosses of the wings, plus all four pieces have a chance to drop from Gluth:

Waist: Plague Wing (Noth, Heingan) or Gluth
Shoulder: Abomination Wing (Patchwerk, Grobbulus, Gluth)
Wrist: Spider Wing (Anub'rekhan, Faerlina) or Gluth
Feet: Deathknight Wing (Razuvious, Gothik) or Gluth

The four "major" pieces of the set all drop from the main boss of a wing. Each of these bosses will drop 2 tokens:
Head: Thaddius (Abomination Wing)
Chest: The Four Horsemen (Deathknight Wing)
Leg: Loatheb (Plague Wing)
Hand: Maexxna (Spider Wing)

The materials needed in addition to the token vary by class and armor slot. Each set item requires a certain amount of "wartorn <armor class> scraps" (e.g. cloth wearers need "wartorn cloth scraps") which drop off of the trash mobs in Naxx. The amount required for each armor slot:

Head: 15
Shoulder: 12
Chest: 25
Wrist: 6
Hand: 8
Waist: 8
Leg: 20
Feet: 12

For a total of 106 for the entire set.

In addition to the token and scraps requirement, the hand-ins will also require quantities of two of the following five items:
Mooncloth
Cured Rugged Leather
Arcanite Bar
Nexus Crystal
Arcane Crystal

Comentado por Thottbot

anyone else notice the item lvl for this set is less than enigma set? why?

Comentado por Thottbot

So, I decided to provide a simple guide to how often the set bonuses PROC, since that determines whether or not the bonuses are worth having.

Set Bonus	Proc Rate
2-Piece	100%
4-Piece	<Hidden>
6-Piece	20%
8-Piece	15%

Enjoy :). The bonuses seem a tad better now.

Comentado por Thottbot

Well, lets compare the following sets.

Netherwind Regalia

Armor 666
Stamina 116
Intellect 159
Spirit 69

Resistances
Fire 40
Nature 10
Frost 10
Shadow 30
Arcane 10

Manareg: 12 / 5 sec

Krit: 3%
Hit : 0%
DMG : 204

The set gives these bonuses as more pieces are worn:
3: Reduces the threat generated by your Scorch, Arcane Missiles, Fireball, and Frostbolt spells.
5: Increases the radius of Arcane Explosion, Flamestrike, and Blizzard by 25%.
8: 10% chance after casting Arcane Missiles, Fireball, or Frostbolt that your next spell with a casting time under 10 seconds cast instantly.

Enigma Vestments (with Waist, Wrist and Hands Tier 2)

Armor 511 (699)
Stamina 95 (133)
Intellect 100 (151)
Spirit 37 (64)

Resistances
Shadow 0 (20)

Manareg: 13 (17) mana/5s

Krit: 3% (4%)
Hit : 2%
Resistance decrease: 30
DMG: 164 (226)

The set gives these bonuses as more pieces are worn:
3: Reduces the threat generated by your Scorch, Arcane Missiles, Fireball, and Frostbolt spells.
3: Your Blizzard spell has a 30% chance to be uninterruptible.
5: Grants +5% increased spell hit chance for 20 sec when one of your spells is resisted.

Frostfire Regalia (including Ring)

Armor 764
Stamina 152 (162)
Intellect 167 (177)
Spirit 49

Resistances
0

Manareg
0

Krit: 4% (5%)
Hit : 4%
Resistance decrease: 23
DMG: 283 (313)

The set gives these bonuses as more pieces are worn:
2: Reduces cooldown on your Evocation by 1 minute.
4: Gives your Mage Armor a chance when struck by a harmful spell to increase resistance against that school of magic by 35 for 30 sec.
6: Your damage spells have a chance to cause your target to take up to 200 increased damage from subsequent spells.
8: Your damage spells have a chance to displace you, causing the next spell cast to generate no threat.

my personal opinion of T3: it isn't that good than most people here think. I wear full T2 and i've got to say i'm a little disappointed about the new set, heres no great difference between a "Tier" set and damage equipment. the set bonuses are good but in way i think raiding is not just dealing the most damage in a short time. With frostfire its like beeing a "oomkin".

T2 got manareg and 20 more spirit, and what does T3 have when we compare it? you got no resistances, u got no manareg, you gut less spirit to regenerate mana infight (example: long fights need good manareg and 1 boss in naxxramas has got 3,7 M life, if u are able to do full damage, the mage will be oom (horde) when 1M life are down...
and when the ring is not included in the +dmg sum, its not much greater than T2 or T2,5 is >.<

in my opinion its not much better than T2 is and well, i've got to think about getting this set and at the moment i think i won't get it fast

�: and yes, the "item level" of this set should be 88+ and not 78. Item level of the chest is 92.

Comentado por Thottbot

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the 4 set bonus "give your Mage Armor a chance when struck by a harmful spell to increase resistance against that school of magic by 35 for 30 sec"? It says "harmful spell" which the way I see it means any regular spell hits, not crits. So 30 resistance for 30 secs is far better than any any other sets already built-in resistance. This is probably why the pieces don't have built-in resistances.

Comentado por Thottbot

The first set bonus for Frostfire seems reasonable, but the last three are a bit strange. Someone did post %chance for each bonus to proc but where did that information come from? At least NW says "10% chance...". Other than that these seem like pretty good bonuses. Perhaps the Mage Armor bonus is meant to make up for the lack of resistance on the actual gear? However that would require a huge proc rate to be anywhere near as useful as flat resistances.

But what about the +200dmg proc? How long does it last, and is it a debuff on your current target or a self buff to increase damage? If it's a debuff, then is it possible that the target can resist it? Just wondering, because that proc is potentially awsome for PvP. (Before you flame me, yes I realize this is a PvE set, but just imagine getting this in BG's and using ZHC or ToEP, possibly with AP or even Berserker for. With descent Auxillary +Dmg. gear you would have an average FB crit of 4.5k plus for about 15 seconds. That would REALLY make a difference in PvP as opposed to a Naxx Boss fight where your enemy has 3 million HP or more)

Comentado por Thottbot

Got my first part (the shoulders) a little over a week ago. Bare in mind a switch from full t2 to t3 will be a bigger jump from 2.5 to 3.. no brainer, but if like me you are switching from t2 to t3 i'd recommend looking at each part and deciding which to get first because some switches are better than others. The head, shoulders and vest are the best 3 imo for such a switch. Legs and Gloves however lose a bit of crit so may be worth getting last.

T2 8 part proc will be adding approx 6% damage as well over time so be prepared to lose a bit of extra damage. That said tho this extra damage has never been free ofc, it costs mana so any upward increase in spell damage with no extra mana cost is a good thing :)

I wouldn't worry about losing the spell resistance bonuses from t2 either since as a Mage you have a very nice pair of elemental wards :)

happy grinding :O

Comentado por Thottbot

if you get the pieces for the gear and you find out that you would lose some crit percentage then here's a simple solution...get as much of it as you can and then don't equip it. there's no rule saying that once you get an item you have to eqiup it and get rid of the old one.

Comentado por Thottbot

Why is it that when I read this forum I get Pissed off? I really don't think you all understand your role in a raid, crying about less resistances and +damage. This is a raid set pure and simple. Most of us that raid know that evocation, +spirit, semi large mana pools(6-8k) are needed in the instances we see. MC, AQ40, and even naxx are the stepping stones to the new side of the game for all of us. The new expantion will show, that the Frostfire set will be sought after/needed in the new content. I for one have not expirenced naxx yet, mainly because my guild isn't ready for the next step after BWL but from the horror stories Ive heard, Im glad we don't jump the gun. Blizzard released Naxx(a 40 mana raid instance) Before the BC release. We all should slap ourselves for not taking this as a warning for the new horrors BC will show us. Stop your crying about your gear. And get into naxx and get it. You may want it come release. BTW a mage is dps in a raid setting. DPS= constant damage on one or multiple targets. Meaning if your pulling aggro because of +damage gear one of two things are seriously messed up. YOUR TANKS SUCK. Or you pull way to much aggro. Learn to play your mages everyone. The 8 piece set bonus alone tells me that we are going to need to watch aggro, displacement looks like the best ability ever. I for one would love to have that in a raid setting. So, Keep netherwind for Pvp, pick up Frostfire for raiding gear. Oracleswrath, Scarlet Crusade

Comentado por Thottbot

For example if someone was to type in there post

"OMFGWTF THIS SET SUXXORS STUPID BLIZZ NOT NOW WHAT MAGES NEED. STUPID BLIZZ MAGES NEED *AGI* DOY!111!11!ONE111!
and then they proceded and continued to wright up a book about it I wouldnt complain so much as one the length of the post but the stupidity of it. So would you just like people to drop off and leave behind comments like

"no this set = crap GG"

Then people would wonder why. So ya people do have a reason for posting lengthly summarys because its how they feel they must inform the thottbot community on how they think this is either good, bad, exceling or lacking.

Comentado por Thottbot

how can a tauren wear a mage set other than modding?

Comentado por Thottbot

I've read most of the comments, and have the time to share my thoughts.

Quote from Squong: "i personally think that the set bonuses for netherwind and frostfire are garbage for the most part because they do not add any dmg"

Sometimes you need to think further then the numbers...

As for the tier2 bonusses:

I loved achieving 3 pieces of T2 for having reduced aggro. I could do more damage thanks to a bonus that didn't add damage, think about it.
Furthermore, once having the 5 pieces it's an awesome bonus. With all the changes I'm a firemage now and use more crit and damage gear. But when I think at how huuge the radius of blizzard was with the talents + 5 setpieces, it's awesome. If you've been at the spider wing you'd know what I mean: spider packs, corpse spiders at Anub'rekhan etc... Even at tbc I'm sure I'll use 5 pieces when I'll be AOE-grinding / questing (even with the nerf on the number of targets)
Then in the end, the 8-piece bonus. The god-like bonus as most called it. Well,...this was a bit dissapointing since I expected a lot. Since it's a proc, it rarely occurs when you really want it, most trash dies to fast to use fireballs a lot and on boss fights you'd rather take some mana/5 gear like firemaw's clutch,... But nevertheless it remains a fun proc while farming / pvp / Anubistats in aq40

=> I'm a happy mage with the bonusses from T2

About the frostfire, as I don't have enough pieces myself it's hard to comment a lot.

The 2-set bonus is nice, you "only" require 2 pieces and it's usefull on longer fights and to reduce the downtime while farming/questing.
The 4 pieces set-bonus could help with the lack of resistance, and can be nice in cooperation with the magic absorption talent
the 6 pieces set-bonus sounds very nice. In a raid, it's the total raid dps that counts anyway and when soloing you have it all for yourself. And like someone else posted, if 20% is the procrate, it doesn't sound bad at all
The 8 pieces set-bonus sounds nice at first, a free feign death. Only I don't really know at what boss I could use this at the moment and it won't help me when solo-ing (it's a raid set I know, but still I like bonusses that help on both)

=> Doesn't sound that bad, if you compare this with the reduced mana cost for AB on the ZG-set... You can always think of better, but I'm not complaining

About the spirit. In tbc they will change the way evocation works, so that won't be much of a problem. Now remains mage armour and the talent arcane meditation. I'm guessing they will change something in those mecanics aswell.

Aabout the 'no-life'-remarks. Whoever thinks you need no-life to enter an instance like Naxx is completly wrong. You just need to have a bit of luck to get into a raiding guild that doesn't require you to raid all the time. Since I've played from day one, this was not that hard to achieve...

And for another remark I've read: "Does more and better epics changes someone into a better mage?" No, it doesn't, it only makes his dmg-output a bit higher. If he doesn't know what he's doing, he'll die in raids which makes his dmg-output to 0. Then even a green-equiped mage (with an equal amount of stamina) will do more damage.

I for one won't mind to replace my current 1337-epics with greens in tbc. I'll be glad to have another look and enjoy the thrill of finding new items and killing new bosses :-)
And when I see a full T3-mage, I'll whisper 'gratz' to him.

Comentado por Thottbot

Ok sorry but someone has to say it, you sir are a complete moron. Please do real end game content before you run your mouth about stuff you dont know. If you had any brains at all you'd realise that threat reduction isnt entirely helping you control your aggro because if your good then you CAN control your aggro and the bonus' such as 3 piece NW and 8 piece FF can give you a bit of room to do extra DPS. I could go on but wont.

~Jandrix, Frostmane

Comentado por Thottbot

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Comentado por kinggrantking

So at this point if you're capable of obtaining these pieces, you probably know whether you're going to be wearing 8 piece tier 2, 8 piece tier 3, 4 piece tier 3, etc. That being said, these are my two cents as to what absolute BiS is for Mage in Classic.

Instead of Tier 3 Shoulders, I would go with Rime Covered Mantle. They give 1 more spell power and 1 more spell crit.

Instead of Tier 3 Gloves, I would go with Dark Storm Gauntlets. They give 1 more spell power and 1 more spell crit.

Instead of Tier 3 Belt, I would go with Eyestalk Waist Cord. It gives 13 more spell power and 1 crit instead of 1 hit.

Instead of Tier 3 Legs, I would go with Leggings of Polarity. They give 2 fewer spell power BUT a massive 2 crit instead of 1 hit.

Instead of Tier 3 Bracers, I would go with The Soul Harvester's Bindings. They give 6 fewer spell power but 1 more spell crit.

T3 also gives 17 more Stamina and 38 more Intellect than the alternatives. However, Mages will be capped on spell hit very easily, and spell crit is absolutely insane for both PvE and PvP. 6% spell crit more from the alternative pieces of gear I've listed is just too nuts to pass up IMO. Yes the Int is a lot to miss, yes the 6 and 8 piece bonuses are nice, but I suspect most Mages who are A. topping the meters or B. playing ANY PvP at all are going to keep these alternatives.

Also important to note that Tier gear in Naxxramas is a token system shared with other cloth classes, so in many cases I would very much doubt a GM would, for instance, let a Mage get their Tier 3 over Priest Tier 3.

AGAIN. If you're killing Naxx bosses enough to contest for gear, you probably already know more about what you want than I do. Good luck on your rolls.

Comentado por Gliobustoma

Great set for mages. Previous tier set bonuses weren't as exciting.

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