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Post by
xaratherus
Yes, this is a "NERF TIHS" thread - but only a minor nerf request:
I had a Death Knight sitting at level 78, and decided that I was absolutely bored of doing quests over the weekend. I determined that I would go do some PvP; I expected to grind out some honor, and knew that I'd get some XP - but I had no idea to what extent.
I was 78% into level 78 when I started; 5 (winning) Alterac Valley matches later, I dinged 79. I hadn't really been watching my XP bar, and so I was surprised as hell when I saw the flash showing I'd leveled.
At that point, I decided to see how much XP I was actually getting. I had about six level 80 quests that I had done previously (over the course of a half-hour), so I dropped those off, which put me at 112,110 XP. I then went back into AV.
Imagine my surprise when I came out and found that I was now at 243,524 XP. In the course of a 15-minute AV, I had earned 131,414 XP. I repeated my experiment, finding that even in the one AV that we lost, I gained around 54,000 XP (just from capturing towers and killing Galv).
Now, here's my complaint: I gained as much XP from a single AV match as I did from a half-hour of questing. At this rate, I should be able to grind AVs today and be level 80 by nightfall -
and then I can still go do my quests for max gold income
.
It doesn't seem like quite a fair trade-off; granted that you still have to go do the quests, but it appears that you could likely level a character through Alterac Valley in around half the time you could through questing -
and
make an absolute slew of money since you can then go do all the quests you skipped for extra gold, since you're not getting XP for them.
Don't get me wrong - I'm going to take advantage of this. I don't really expect it to change, either. However, it does seem a little imbalanced to me that you can obtain the same amount of XP in a battleground facerolling against the enemy (or AFKing, unless I see you, in which case I report you) as you can by questing - only in half the time.
Post by
Vayus
Yeah, if you are on a winning battlegroup you can really abuse AV for easy-street to 80, but you won't be picking up much gear along the way.
The sad thing is that blizzard failed tremendously in balancing the BG exp. Try the same thing in WSG and you will find yourself extremely disappointed.
Post by
xaratherus
Yeah, if you are on a winning battlegroup you can really abuse AV for easy-street to 80, but you won't be picking up much gear along the way.
The sad thing is that blizzard failed tremendously in balancing the BG exp. Try the same thing in WSG and you will find yourself extremely disappointed.
Yeah, I noticed this, but not in WSG: I went into EotS and was sadly disappointed in XP gains. You don't seem to get anything for helping to hold the towers - only around 3200 XP (at level 79) when your side captures the flag.
As for collecting gear: Can you purchase PvP gear if you aren't yet at the level to use it? If so, then theoretically you could level almost solely through AV (once you hit the appropriate level), have earned enough honor along the way to buy every available piece of Hateful gear (or whatever the equivalent honor-purchased gear is at the time),
and
could still then go back and do your quests and have plenty of gold to simply
buy
all of your pre-raiding gear off the AH in one swell foop.
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Do you like fish sticks?
Win.
Post by
xaratherus
Its debatable. I've had some instances of going into new areas of Northrend and being able to pull off about 300-400k exp per hour over the course of several hours. If you have consistently, quickly won AVs, I could see it being better then questing. The question is, how often will you end up going against a turtle situation, becoming locked into a 30-60min AV?
Well, it's not a hugely statistical sample, but last night I did 10 AVs; only one of them lasted more than 20 minutes. Overall I would estimate I gained around 900,000 XP over the course around 3 hours (about 25% in 78 to ding 79, and then around 42% into 79).
I guess what Blizzard hopes is that, over the long term, XP will average out, although as Vayus noted, the other battlegrounds are woefully under-rewarded.
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Post by
xaratherus
I wish achievements gave you XP. Makes alot more sense to actually start doing the classic dungeons etc if you gained like, 20% of your level completing such achievement.
I wouldn't mind getting XP for achievements; I also want them to add in the achievement point store. Even if it's just pets and cheesy vanity items, I'd still dig it.
Also, i imagine you would be Alliance. I can also imagine getting quite alot of XP if you manage to do near-perfect rounds of AB and SotA as a Hordie.
This is quite true. I'm Alliance, so that probably attributes at least some to our frequent wins in AV (and our frequent losses in pretty much everything else ;) ).
I'm not sure if I actually consider the XP gains as imbalanced. I think what gets to me more is the money you could make by leveling solely through PvP and then getting 40-50% more gold rewarded from quests since you aren't getting XP anymore. I mean, technically you could skip doing any Northrend quests, level from 68 to 80 through AV - and then go do all your Northrend quests for an absolute slew of extra gold.
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Post by
xaratherus
Sorry for the short-term necro. I thought I would give everyone a slightly more in-depth analysis on this.
Over the past weekend I leveled by my DK her last two levels solely through AV. I was receiving just shy of 20k XP for each kill of Galv and Drek, and another 20k XP for each tower that burned.
This was opposed to EotS and Warsong Gulch, in which I was receiving anywhere from 3-5k per flag capture, which was really not worth the time it took compared to the AV matches. I did not try Arathi Basin, but I would assume that the XP is per base capture, in which case the XP is probably similar to that of WSG and EotS.
By far, AV is the most unbalanced out of all of them. My next project is going to be leveling a character up to 51 and then see how many AVs it takes to reach each additional level. This will probably be my Rogue (currently at 47).
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Arkham
This was opposed to EotS and Warsong Gulch, in which I was receiving anywhere from 3-5k per flag capture, which was really not worth the time it took compared to the AV matches. I did not try Arathi Basin, but I would assume that the XP is per base capture, in which case the XP is probably similar to that of WSG and EotS.
By far, AV is the most unbalanced out of all of them.I think they've said they're looking at increasing the XP gain from most BGs once they've toned down the gain from AV.
Post by
Evergreen
I hear what your saying about the Gear things. I'm leveling a priest as an alt, And she's a tailor. Now i've been hording FW cloth on my main for ages, so i have been able to at least make myself some upgrades which aren't from questing and it's been great. Expecially Making all the Frost savage stuff for lvl 78 : )
But the kicker here is, The honour you get ! Leveling from 75-78 so far doing Av's and the odd quest after a loosing streak, i have 3 pieces of my hatefull Gear already! So as soon as i ding 80, Have a dance around etc etc. Bam, i'm in the Welfare epics already.
I also find Bg's like AV are great to Learn a class in. And It's also great fun to go in with a decent geared 80 and faceroll your way through all the opposing factions lowbies :) Makes you feel kinda like Godzilla or something.
Post by
xaratherus
so,you say that having an alternative to lvl your char with except quest,quest,quest,quest,quest is bad?I think not.I actually think they should buff the exp from the other bg's
No, I didn't say it was bad at all. I said that getting over 100k for a single Alterac Valley win - something that can be done in 15 minutes - is too much. By all means, let people level through PvP, but let's keep it within reason. If you happen to be in the faction that wins AV on a regular basis on your battlegroup, you can very easily crank out 400k+ XP in a one hour (four 15-minute AV wins). Unless you've got a
very
well-planned quest route, I don't know that you can pull that off - and even if you have it planned out well you won't be able to sustain that because quests eventually spread out or get broken up by quests that you can't do as quickly.
And as I said, then you can turn around and do the quests for twice the gold you would've gotten doing them at level. Plus, you'll have a near-full Hateful set by the time you hit 80.
The person who mentioned afk in AV? I agree whole-heartedly. The coward debuff should stop you from gaining experience as well as honor - and it needs to be made "intelligent" enough to tell the difference between self-inflicted damage and combat: I saw a number of afkers who were running along the cliffs so that they dropped off occasionally and took damage, stopping the afk buff from taking effect.
My suggestion? Halve the XP from tower caps in AV, and add 25% XP to flag caps in other BGs.
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